Miranda Kerr & Orlando Bloom: House Hunting in New Zealand!

Now everyone in Australia is wonderful :)

Love Orlando

It’s Legolas!!!!!!
Love them both (and their gorgeous baby)!
They both look fantastic!

can’t stand her fat face. resembles a pumpkin/egg/chipmunk/cabbage patch. I can’t believe models can have this big of faces now days. *smh* That means every girl in my town could be models I guess. Its such an average trait.

i’m not sure about the wine celler (when are they going to have time to buy all that wine?) but the home theater sounds fun :D i’d love to go to NZ someday…

I really don’t think they are house hunting. Miranda said a few weeks ago that they would be in England before the end of the year for OB to work on another film.

They both look great!

Good they in new zealand

I love zealand

she got cute double chin!(s) ;)

Orlando is handsome miranda fake miss plastic

We can say both plastic coz They parent’s looks ugly

Finally! He surfaces!
They have been in NZ for weeks and nothing but a few fan photos.
You would think that any and all free lance photographers in Wellington would be out trying to earn a few extra dollars by catching him/them out and about.
I can’t wait for PJ’s next video diary installment. Maybe e will get a glimpse of our favorite Elven Prince in costume.
The powers that be at Facebook better be ready. PJ may just crash their servers.
=)

My country wahoo

Nah, looks more like they were just squinting into the sun.

Orlando is a fine looking man. I find Miranda pretty only when she wears a little makeup.

Lol…Miranda always looks pretty annoyed whenever she’s with him lately. She looks happier with the nanny.

Yeah, if he falls much further off the radar, she probably will find someone new to keep getting the attention from the media she loves so much.

A nanny is with them in NZ? Didn’t she say they only had one when she is working?

Their baby has the most beautiful big brown eyes and long eyelashes. He is adorable!

From the looks of the previews, he’s barely appearing in 3M. And he practically publicly begged PJ to be cast in The Hobbit. He doesn’t seem to have much else on the horizon either. All I ever read is how he’s dropped out or been replaced in potential films.

His role in 3M is small, you’re right about that. But as has been mentioned MANY times before, his name is at the forefront of all publicity.
If he wasn’t popular, why would they base so much of their advertising on a supporting player? That proves the haters wrong, right there. His name alone, brings a lot of attention because he IS popular.
And I don’t really think that his saying that he would love to work with Peter again counts as “begging”. Legolas was one of the most popular characters in LOTR, that’s why they wanted him in this new film He was easy to add to The Hobbit, since he belongs with his father. Are you trying to claim that he had to “beg” to be cast as Legolas? That’s ridiculous. Or are you saying that Peter wrote him in at his request?
Hmmm. If that was the case, he is more popular than I thought. Peter willing to spend millions in extra casting, costuming, scripts, battle choreography and box office just to find a role for an actor who “begged” for the part? That has to be one of the more ridiculous hater theories yet.
And one more time….
He dropped out of Albert Nobbs because it was pushed back so far that he would have ahd to have missed the birth of his first child. gee, are you really surprised that he dropped that one?
And he dropped Effie due to filming conflicts with The Hobbit.
Lola Versus was a mess, and EVERYONE dropped out of that one.
He starts filming The City at the end of the year, and he still has The Laureate, if they ever get their ducks in a row.
So you can try to twist things to suit you. But it just makes you look like a blind hater.

That’s because JJ is a smart marketer.
Her name brings the haters. Haters brings posts. Posts bring advertising dollars.
Simple, really.

I thought his name brought all the attention because he is so popular.

Hater logic….
Facts = excuses.
Are you saying that Albert Nobbs was NOT filming in December 2010? In Ireland? You know, on the other side of the world from his due-any-day wife? Is that what you are saying?
Or that Effie is not due to film in Europe in October? While he is shooting The Hobbit in New Zealand?
Sheesh.

I love Orlando!!
I can’t wait to see that gorgeous man in pointy ears once again!

The haters write the same old nasty untruthful comments about Miranda simply because their JEALOUS OF HER……no other reason just pure ENVY…….they can’t stand the fact she’s stunningly beautiful, hugely successful and most of all because Orlando LOVES her…..sour grapes…….lol!!!

LOL stunningly beautiful? Are you blind?

Didnt MK say she dont have a nunny? That she wants OB and herself 2 b hands on with Flynn. And if she does have 1 than that how she got 2 skinny.

I guess I’m just not rational then, because it doesn’t make much sense to me. In Australia, she had tons of family/friends to watch the baby. Of course, that didn’t keep her from dragging him everywhere. But, at least,in NZ, you would think on “vacation” she would want some family time with just the 3 of them. She could have left the nanny in Oz for a couple of weeks and given her a vacation too. I’m sure OB isn’t filming 24/7. What else has she got to do other than take care of the baby, being so hands-on and all? And if there aren’t any local babysitters, then surely he could visit his dad on set or go on outings with friends, since he could go to business meetings and photoshoots in Sydney, LA, and everywhere else where the paps are.

Thank God it looks like he hasn’t cut his hair in that horrible mohawk style again.

Showing her double chin again.

She is really not so stunningly beautiful in some of those profile pics. Oops, I guess my jealousy is showing….lol!

I guess I don’t see the same pics as some of you do, it dosen’t seem to me that she is pissed in any of the pics I have seen so far but that’s just my opinion. If you read the whole story about the house they are looking at it is a rental for the time they are in NZ filming.

I would never give my baby 2 some1 i dont know. And if i had her money i would want 2 b with my baby and i would not want the nunny 2 c thing 4 the frist time.

And OB dont look happy with her. Mk seem 2 alway looks like she looking 4 the pap and i would never have a nunny 2 say in my home why does the nunny need 2 b there. U can take Flynn 2 c OB on set bcoz he may like that.

I have noticed lately that she just ignores him whenever he tries to hold her hand or touch her. In the beginning when they were first dating, she used to be all over him, talking about him all the time. After she got what she wanted, not so much.

Does anybody know if he will be in Germany for any 3M promotion next week?

Yep, SOCKPUPPETS! You guessed it!
And you see, #65, the big difference between ‘shippers’ and ‘haters’ is that we make comments about what we see, and about things that LOGIC would state to be true. We don’t have to make up lies like you guys do just to insult someone.
If you wanted people to respect your opinions, you should stick to the facts. People mock you because you lie and twist the truth.
Big difference.

He taped some promo pieces before he left for Australia.
And with The Hobbit resuming filming I doubt that he will be there. Unless they film around him the first week or so.

Orlando looks so warm and cozy! I love his hat, it’s really cute on him. I’m so excited for The Hobbit and to see him as Legolas again!

Aw, I wish Flynn had been with them so we could have gotten a picture of him :(

I did see a picture from the last couple of days where Orlando is holding Flynn and they are both looking down, showing off their matching gorgeous long eyelashes. So cute!

I’m glad we can agree that neither of us knows what actually happened on that walk in the park since neither of us was there, so both “opinions” are equally valid.

Have you not seen the dinner pics in Sydney, both outside and inside the restaurant? He’s desperately trying to hold her hand and she’s got her arms crossed, looking down, ignoring him. Or inside the restaurant where she’s talking on the phone, yawning, putting on lipstick, making faces, and pointing at him and not with a look of love either.

And no, I don’t expect them to hold hands all the time, but just once I would like to see her face light up and smile at him the way she often does for the paps.

I just love seeing pics of Orlando hes so lovely. Its been 4 years to the day that i met Orlando bloom for the first time it goes so fast.

Oh, silly me.
I forgot that a few seconds caught by a photograph define their entire lives.
She praises him constantly in interviews, and she just glows when he is mentioned. That says more than any single photograph ever could.
And I love how you say that neither side could possibly know the truth about their relationship, yet you then go on to try to define it as an outsider anyway. So typical.

There are other pics from the park that show him with his arm around her. What do you suppose that means?

Yes, there were. And she had her hands in her pockets, but maybe she was just cold.

My god Miranda is ugly. Orlando could have done so much better! But Australian women are very unattractive in general

This is exactly the reason that Miranda gets top billing at JJ.
Going on 100 posts, and most are from haters who do nothing but insult and judge, and shippers who defend.
The proof is right in front of you.

I have the feeling that you’ve over analyzed her words so much that you’re reading way too much into them. I didn’t see anyone but haters mock Orlando for the peeing in a bottle or epidural jokes. Most people took that as jokes, even Orlando used those stories as a humourous anecdote at Ellen’s show.
As for the infamous story behind the baby’s second name, what’s the problem, really? The baby has two of Orlando’s names and his surname. She only chose one name and her surname. She could have named him after her dad, but apparently that boyfriend was important to her, and I don’t see anything strange about being very influenced by a boyfriend’s death, especially if she was a teenager when it happened. Most teens don’t lose a close friend of their same age so soon and tragically. And again, you’re probably influenced by what haters say, that he’s a loser for letting her name him after a former boyfriend, but most people thought that Orlando was very kind and empathetic for allowing it.
The whole past tense about what she looks for in a man, I really think that’s silly. She’s sharing her tastes with other women, so she won’t start with a “back when I was single”, she’s being practical. You can be married or very in love and still admire other men’s qualities. It’s ok as long as it doesn’t go further than that.

I must have missed where Flynn has Miranda’s surname. Didn’t his actual birth certificate show it as Flynn C(hristopher) B(lanchard) C(opeland) Bloom? Of course, that shirt he wore said “Kerr-Bloom,” but I rather think that was for publicity purposes only.

How can he’s incredible and she’s blessed to have him in her life mean the same as being in love with him? I could say the former about several men in my life, but the latter only about my husband.

Remember her book dedication to her “partner”. Off the top of my head she mentioned his wisdom and integrity and thanked him for his unconditional love and support, but nowhere did I read where she said that that love was returned. She gushes about her whole family constantly on FB how much she loves and misses them. I can’t think of a single time that she’s straight out said anything close to that about him. She’s suddenly now private when it comes to her feelings for him?

I’m sure the haters did have plenty of mocking words about the delivery room stories, but I didn’t read them. I’m talking about blogs or stories from many different websites (like Huffington Post) that praised her and laughed at him, after her interview.

And actually it was a guy who asked her what she “looks” for in a man. My point is that never, at least since they’ve been married, have I ever seen her look at him or talk about him like she truly loves him as her husband. And I find that very sad if true.

I just have to ask, why is it that everyone seems to think he said something rude to her in those park pics. They both look annoyed. Why is he to blame.

I guess that I missed those blogs. Every comment I read about his support has been positive. His not throwing a fit about one of his son’s five names points to security, rather than wimpiness as far as I’m concerned. If it didn’t bother him, then why should it bother you?

@107 That ok and he is the just so nice love him.

It doesn’t bother me personally since he seems to give her pretty much what she wants anyway. And I don’t actually think he’s a weak person at all. He’s had a lot to overcome in his life, as I see it.

I do dislike, however, that it only reinforces the stereotype that many people already have about him, probably because of some of the roles he’s played among other things.

For someone who claims not to be a hater, you sure do toe their party line.
You use the same insults that they use on their blogs, so I find it a bit hard to believe that you don’t read their sites. But no matter.
And @112
You see, to me, his agreeing to add Christopher’s name makes him a stronger man. In my experience, men who went out of their way to appear tough, strong and domineering ended up being the weakest in what it takes to be a ‘real’ man.
Orlando seems secure and heathy. And strong enough not to allow the memory of a 16 year old dead boy interfere with his manhood.
And any time I have read comments that link Orlando’s character with Paris, prince of Troy, it always seems to come from insecure fanboys. In other words, people whose opinions mean nothing to me, or to most people.
But again, most of the responses that I have seen have been very positive anyway.

If it makes you feel better to think that anyone who doesn’t see things exactly as the shippers do must be a hater, then by all means, call me one.

Do you know what time her store appearances are? I would love to get her to sign a copy of her book.

I thought you made it pretty clear you considered yourself one of the shippers, but if not, then I apologize. I consider myself a realist, so I’ll let you define yourself as well.

Why does every thread about these two always end up with posters either being called haters or shippers. Just maybe both sides are partly right and partly wrong. Only the two of them really know the truth anyway.

Just like all other celeb couples they’ll be split up within a year or two.

All this arguing is a big waste of time.

I was curious about these legitimate blogs that you claim to have made fun of Orlando, so I did a tiny little search.
Since the Huffington Post was specifically mentioned, I looked there first.
I typed in Orlando’s name, and quickly found the article mentioning Flynn’s middle name. But what is funny is that the article was entirely positive about the situation.
When Miranda called Orlando a “good guy” for agreeing to add Christopher to Flynn’s long list of names, their response was that he was “a good guy, indeed”.
Is being called a “good guy” an insult now?
I don’t get it.

LOL!
Please stick to the facts. Exaggeration is what causes people to laugh at you delphites so often.
Orlando is still one of the most popular male actors out there. Saying that he has “very few fans” tags you as a delphite because only a delphite would say something that stupid with a straight face.
And you claim that Miranda earns more money? LOL! Orlando earned more than twice what she did in her best year while doing indies and collecting millions in residuals.
More famous? First you claim that no one outside of Oz knows her, now you are claiming that she is more famous that a man who has been in two of the biggest trilogies of all time?
You guys really are idiots, aren’t you.

“Orlando earned more than twice what she did in her best year while doing indies and collecting millions in residuals”
Really? Can you prove it? You keep talking about the same thing when people say he’s not popular anymore. But hey how do you know she earned less? From what I see is very few people care about him. All people talk about is Miranda and her baby. Orlando looks like a nobody.

If the number of posts on his fan sites are any indication, his fan base has diminished substantially in the last year alone, especially since he got married.

You make idiotic claims, then want others to provide proof of their more reasonable ones?
HA!
I don’t know about the claim that he earned “twice as much”, but I do rememeber reading that in the last year that she made the Forbes list, he earned over six million in residuals from POTC alone. That’s not counting LOTR, Troy or KOH, all of which are shown on TV constantly.
And there are also reports that for his small part in 3M he is earning more than all of the musketeers combined. That wouldn’t happen for an actor who wasn’t popular.
And you are basing your theory on the responses in this place? That really is ridiculous. As someone pointed out before, haters posts, fans respond. nastiness always brings out more posts

Fan sites only represent a small portion of people who follow any actor, not just Orlando.
It’s a natural cycle. When the actor is at the fresh peak of his career, the fan sites will be loaded. After a while, some people will move on to other actors that interest them, while still quietly supporting their first crush.. Others will begin to realize that the object of their affection is actually a flawed human being, instead of the perfect person that the imagined him to be. Their affection will turn to hate.
Others will be there for the long haul.
But if you want examples of Orlando’s continued popularity, just look at the Hello polls. he wins those quite often. And they are nothing but popularity polls.

I’m sorry, but anyone who could be “furious” at a total stranger because he got married could not possibly be called “mature”. You could be furious if he pulled a Mel Gibson, or if he was mixed up with drugs. But being furious with him because he got married is childish and ridiculous.
And again, you are underestimating his popularity to suit your own agenda.

Totally agree with you. When they first dating I thought Orlando was too good for her, but few years later I think she can do better. Shippers or haters whatever…they make Miranda Kerr much much bigger. People said she was “Orlando’s girlfriend”. What happen now? People know Orlando only because he’s “Miranda’s husband”. Sorry Mr. Kerr is nothing but a hasbeen at best.

Oh yes you must be her mum or how do you know she loves him and they are happily married. Orlando has nothing she loves, only his money I guess. He can’t earn his own living by acting after all.

@@143: Probably means the money he earned before when he was still popular I guess. It’s funny that this big face monster and her washed up husband never fail to trigger so many comments by doing nothing. But like some have said here, mostly because of Kerr I think. If JJ post about Bloom only, he would get 15 comments at most.

So first you idiots are mad at her for even mentioning his name. Now you are mad because she doesn’t?
You guys used to say that she shouldn’t say anything about him because a relationship should be private. Now you are saying that she should reveal her inner most feelings to the public?
And you wonder why people call you hypocrites?

“Orlando obviously has nothing she wants or can benefit her career right now”

Orlando has exactly the same he had one year ago when she got pregnant with his child and married him. No, actually this year he has the same plus a role in The Hobbit and more projects.
If you’re going to suddenly change, just like that, the song you’ve been singing for years to suit your agenda, at least be a little coherent. Make up your minds, what do you expect her to do? Talk about him and engage in lots of PDA, which is what you hated her for before; or not talk about him and not engage in PDA, which is what you hate her for now? Cursed if you do it and cursed if you don’t? LOL

“Cursed if you do it and cursed if you don’t”
Of course!
Why, that’s even on the delphidiot’s coat of arms!
LOL!
They’re just mad because they had to use their two collective brain cells to come up with a new way to insult Orlando and Miranda.
It’s very stressful being a delphidiot, you know. Having to be constantly on watch for even the most innocuos little scrap of news. Then having to find way to twist that news to suit them. And if no news surfaces, they are forced to invent scandals just to have something to whine about.
Poor delphites. All alone in this big bad world of contentment that is the family Bloom.
*wipes tear*

Well then having someone ‘older’ be angry at him for getting married is even more pathetic.
The only reason that someone older could have for being angry at him for getting married is that they have a subconcious belief that as long as he was single, they had a chance with him.
That is a really sad way to live your life as an adult.
And I think that since you ignore facts to post such skewed “observations”, you do indeed have an agenda. You just can’t admit it.

If you feel my observations are “skewed,” then feel free to visit his websites and count the number of posts and posters as compared to a 1.5 years ago. Many claim they are angry at who he married, not because he is married, but then I suppose they are “haters” anyway, so it doesn’t matter.

But I think what you can’t admit is that someone can disagree with you without being a “hater.”

Being angry “at who he married” doesn’t make any sense either. You can like the guy and not like his wife. The only reason to stop liking the guy for who he married is that they had this fantasy of him marrying average women like them. Otherwise I don’t understand it. And don’t say that they hate him because he “married a famewhore” as the hatred they have for them can’t be explained by that stupid reason. Even if they were famewhores, that’s no reason to make up rumours, create blogs to pretend to be them to slander them, create fake accounts at social networks to insult them and paint them as monsters. There’s something more and that’s obvious.
And not liking him and keep on knowing every simple detail that goes on his life doesn’t make any sense either. Sorry, I don’t buy into the lame excuses they give to be so interested in him.

“Since they’re married, she’s basically got all he had to give her, so there’s no point in talking about him or engaging in PDAs anymore. She gets much more attention now with Flynn.”~ yeah that’s why I said Orlando is sadly useless to her. He can’t bring more attention for her, so she looks pissed off everytime when she’s with him. Miranda actually has the bigger fanbase now.

I am not talking about what the press writes or wants. I am talking about what Miranda says on her own FB page and how she acts with Orlando in public. Unless she is playing to the press, then why should her words and actions change, regardless of whether they are married or not.

I doubt anyone who reads those headlines doesn’t also read the story for context. “She forced him to pee in a bottle” doesn’t make sense without a context, for example, so everyone who cares will read the full story.
And I believe Miranda Kerr is not a journalist and does not write headlines.
You should already drop that. Pretty much anyone who isn’t a hater saw the humour in the peeing and epidural stories and thought Orlando was kind and secure for letting her name the baby after that boy. That’s what people know when he is mentioned.

No, you claimed that legitimate media was insulting him. Now you say that those statements came from tweets and the comment sections.
I’ve read some of the comments on online articls, and it is obvious that a lot of those posters are indeed haters. They basically cut and paste their comments from delphi.
You have been proved wrong. Move along.

I can’t wait to see the comments from these idiots the next time Orlando and Miranda are photographed holding hands and/or smiling.
If them NOT holding hands and smiling is ‘proof’ that she hates him, the opposite MUST be true, right? That holding hands is proof that they are head over heels in love!
If they claim otherwise they would be hypocrites. And they wouldn’t want yet ANOTHER reason to be called hypocrites, now would they?
LOL!

The legitimate media is who wrote those insulting and belittling headlines, since as you pointed out Miranda is not the journalist.

Telling people who disagree with you to go away is a hater tactic by the way, but thanks anyway for your advice to move along.

You thought that those headlines were “belittling”?
I think that your lack of a sense of humor may be your downfall.
You are letting your own bitterness interfere with your objectivity.

Yes, Sam, the next time I see HER reach for his hand, I will agree that she is head over heels in love with him.

Who said she hates him anyway? She just doesn’t to have much interest in him or use for him lately.

I don’t claim to know the reasons “why” they have certain expressions in pics, but am only commenting on what those expressions are, in my opinion.

And who thinks his projects or lack thereof has anything to do with the attention he brought her. The attention was from whether they were engaged or getting married or the extent of their relationship. Now there’s no more attention to be gained from those topics, so she must look elsewhere if she wants media coverage.

If you don’t think, she talks more about her family and friends on her FB page and ignores almost any question/mention of Orlando, then you are not reading it. And I’m not “complaining” about that, I’m just wondering why.

“Yes, Sam, the next time I see HER reach for his hand, I will agree that she is head over heels in love with him”
I’ll believe that when I see it.
It’s more likely that the haters comments will range from “set up!”, to “damage control”.
They are nothing if not predictable.

But that’s just it.
Those headlines practically scream “secure husband” and “devoted to his wife” to most all who read them.
In fact, those were the first words out of Ellen’s mouth when he first told the story of peeing in a bottle. Is she delusional?
I guess that I just don’t understand your rationale.

Once again, I’m not a hater, but if there’s anything that’s predictable, it’s being accused of being one if you don’t agree with whatever category you consider yourself to be.

You do realize that you’re responding to more than one poster don’t you? I have never said I think her expression in pics is because she’s pissed and that she doesn’t have any use for him anymore.

My opinion, or biased speculation, as you no doubt will claim it to be, is that her expressions, actions, and words have changed toward him since the marriage, and I simply wonder why that is.

If you repeat the same old tired insults over and over and refuse to admit that you are wrong, you are a hater.
Simple, really.

If you’re a different person, then you probably shouldn’t reply to posts that weren’t directed at you. And if you do, you should make clear that you’re not that person and most of all, that you disagree with that person, maybe even more than you disagree with me. Since each one of you thinks completely different things and state them as facts (making your subjectivity and bias more obvious) and only agree that Miranda is a cold monster, it’s easy to be confused.

He actually quite busy right now. But even when he is working people would rather talk about his private life. Even while he was at his busiest all of the sites did nothing but talk about his relationship with Kate.

That’s how it works. If I accuse you of robbing a bank and I have nothing but rather over the top personal conclusions as proof, I am the one who’ll look bad. And if I called the police and told them that you “could” have robbed a bank, it’s even worse. If you make a serious accusation, please be sure of what you’re saying and its consequences.
Anyone who isn’t twisted and perverse would think that people don’t date for 4 years, marry and have a baby whose happiness and health will partly depend on his parents’ relationship for reasons other than wanting to be together.
Dating for a year for publicity, maybe. Joining your and your own flesh and blood’s life and fate to someone you only want to use? Yes, I think it’s perverse to think that only because they’re papped often.

Maybe you should have written the posting protocol at the beginning of the thread so we can all do it correctly.

Once again, I am not ACCUSING her of anything. I’m wondering why things seem different TO ME now since they are married, that is all. I have repeatedly said I don’t know or wonder why, etc. You are the one who is certain about everything.

She smiled dreamily into his eyes in plenty of pics that were only a few seconds out of their day before they were married. She had plenty to say about him then as well.

My observations aren’t based simply on those recent pap pics. Look at the pics from the Met Gala. He’s talking to her, trying to get her attention, in some he seems to only have eyes for her, and she’s smiling straight into the camera and ignoring him, just as she ignores him in the Sydney dinner pics. I’ll admit she looks a little more into him in the Global Green pics, but again, there are some, where he is looking at her, and she has eyes only for the photographer.

There’s many times on FB when she has brushed off questions, comments, or praise about him. She goes on and about her dead boyfriend, or her brother, or her father, how much she loves them or misses them, or how wonderful they are, but the most she can say about Orlando is that he is a good father. She had nothing to say when people wished her a Happy 1st Anniversary.

I could go on, but then these are just my observations. And unlike the haters, I’ll be happy to change my opinion, when I see or hear things that show otherwise.

Well, at the Met Gala I see pictures where he appears to be whispering things into her ear and she has a wide glowing smile, although she is indeed looking at the camera. There are others where she is looking at him and smiling.

And I think, if you only see one photo where she’s into him, that’s enough. So if there are plenty at Global Green where she’s smiling at the camera while he looks at her, so what? All you need is one photo where she shows pleasure in his company and it looks genuine, such that if she had no use for him she would never look like that.

I’ve always assumed that she doesn’t go on about him on FB for professional reasons. Her love of her family is part of her image, but going on about him would just make people jealous. I thought she was evasive about him before they were married too, and also didn’t gush much in interviews and often tried to avoid the question even though interviewers were always trying to talk about it.

So to be in love she must look at him in total awe a certain number of pics? LOL
That’s precisely what I don’t get. She may be trying to remember the shopping list in the disinterested pics, for all we know. But no, to you few seconds of their day represent their deepest feelings, worries and problems. Give me a break, I think it’s difficult to know the feelings of people I know since always, how are you going to know what’s going on between these two from pics?

Ok, not in other words then. In your own words, “she doesn’t seem to have much use for him”. You don’t think there are endless possibilities, you do believe that the first and most likely possibility is that she dated him for 4 years, married him, had his baby to use him. Don’t deny it as you said that “she doesn’t have much use for him” as if it were ridiculous to even consider that they may be in love. To think that using him is the most likely possibility, I find crazy and very cold.
You have the right to think so if you want. It’s just that you thinking that lessens my faith in humanity, but you are very free to not give a damn about what I lose my faith in.

Breaking in this discussion to ask if anybody has seen them together in person and watched how they acted around each other. That would be more telling than any stills or pap pics. I know there was a MK hater who later changed her attitude who talked about them in Vegas once but anything else that anyone has heard of.

A poster on OLove met them when they visited a Ronald McDonald House (without alerting the media, I might add). She said that they were really sweet together.
So ‘haters’ and ‘shippers’ alike agree on something. Who would have thunk it?
BTW, also telling with that ‘hater’ report was how her buddies at delphi treated her after she posted her first hand account. That spoke volumes about how interested those gals are in the ‘truth’. Not very, as it turned out.

There have been lots of sightings from people who say that they are really lovey dovey and sweet together. And a few who have seen them when they seem to be bickering. In other words, a normal couple.