I didn't think it was legal to make money off of a celebrity image without their consent?

Or is this money going to a Charity Angelina supports?

Just curious.

Great site btw. I'm addicted.

They looked so happy together!!! Thanks JJ!

She smiles!!!!! Been a while since anyone has got a shot of that... she is beautiful!!!!!!

Maddox is precious and cute.

They must not have the 48' rule across the pond.

OMG, Maddox is so cute. Mother and son together time and beautiful!

Angelinia is such a good & devoted mother. Love these pic. Thanks JJ.
Look forward to the news of the new arrival. She is Beautilful!!

# 1 | kristen

yeah...i am wondering also if this is for charity!! i think it's a personal profit for someone...anyways..mom and son looks so happy and mad is a cutie pie!!

Nice pic,thanks Jared for BAMZ+1 pick me up.
Guys, I read on Namibia news that the familly has arrived there , nobody knows just how long they are going to stay but, the press is speculating that Angie wants to give birth there.
Let' s wait and see.

For any BAMZ+1 Supporters who haven't already seen this on the "Brad Pitt Documentary" blog. According to Lainey, there's no trouble between Brad and Angie. Also, news reports from early this morning say that they arrived in Namibia at 6:30am this morning. If I can find the article I'll come back and post here, to.

http://laineygossip.com/ArticleList.aspx?ID=3636

Brad & Angelina: Happy in France
Thank Goddess for you smutters in France. But before we get into this EXCLUSIVE sighting, let’s backtrack a little and address all those rumours.

As you know, the Pitts haven’t been photographed together in over a week, prompting rags on both sides of the Atlantic to proclaim an imminent split. The British tabloids are the latest to jump on the breakup wagon reporting that Brad is fed up with Angelina's demanding behaviour, that things are tense, that they are arguing, that she is kicking his ass…blah blah blah. Amateur gossip, y'all. I’m telling you – all leaks to these two have been sealed. And as much as I love the English dailies, they’d be the last to dig up any reliable goods on the Family Pitt, you know what I mean?

However, I do understand some of the concerns coming out of “Brangelina-land”. Angie has barely cracked a smile and Brad looks morose and haggard at best. But apparently that’s just the face they put on when cameras are attacking. Because according to 2 French readers out there who saw them today/yesterday (I never understand the time difference) the hottest couple alive is still alive. And holding hands. Stephanie L and Therese B were both in Paris and saw Mr & Mrs Smith at the Georges Pompidou Center hands clasped. According to Therese, Angelina was laughing about something and at one point when there was a little more foot traffic, Brad walked ahead of her, still clutching her hand, as if to block her from any intrusion.

“They seemed very comfortable together and I didn’t see any photographers either so maybe that’s what they were relaxed but his skin is dry and she is even more gorgeous in person but thin and both not as tall as I thought. Not short but not tall.”

Obviously not the same story the rags want you to believe but hey – scandal and split is always way more interesting than a boring couple bringing up babies and holding hands, just like the rest of us. In this case however, there really is no need to panic (or rejoice, depending on your flavour) about the status of the Pitts. They are together. They are happy. And as I was the first to report several months ago, they will likely be having their kid in Africa. Stay tuned y’all. And again... beware of amateur gossip.

Here's the article on BAMZ landing in Namibia -

MEGA stars Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt arrived in Namibia at the crack of dawn yesterday. As far as The Namibian was able to establish last night, the couple have reportedly brought their two children - Maddox and Zahara - with them.

It is unclear how long they will stay in Namibia, or what the family's plans are while they are here.

At the weekend, wire reports emanating from overseas speculated that Jolie, who is pregnant with Pitt's child, was coming to have her baby in Namibia.

Alternative reports have suggested that the family is just on a visit.

Both stars value their privacy and are very protective of their children.

The Namibian Broadcasting Corporation radio news yesterday quoted immigration officials confirming that the Jolie-Pitt family had arrived at Walvis Bay at around 06h30.

Sources in Europe earlier told The Namibian that the couple had flown out of Le Bourget airport in Paris in a private jet on Monday night - believed to be headed for Namibia.

Jolie is no stranger to Namibia.

The Oscar-winning actress spent time in the country in 2002 during the filming of the international feature movie on refugees, 'Beyond Borders', at Swakopmund.

Namibia is believed to hold particularly fond memories for Jolie.

It was here that she took legal custody of her adopted Cambodian son, Maddox, in March 2002.

At that time he was seven-and-a-half months old.

Last year Jolie adopted a little Ethiopian girl, Zahara, an orphan.

ACTIVE FOR AFRICA It is not known if Pitt has previously visited Namibia.

However, he has visited South Africa and Ethiopia, and shares Jolie's humanitarian concerns.

The couple are said to have fallen in love with Africa.

Much of the focus of their humanitarian commitment is directed at the continent, as well as Asia.

In 2001, Jolie was asked by the United Nations High Commission to become its Goodwill Ambassador.

She has also been awarded the UN Correspondents Association's Citizen of the World Award, which was presented to her by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

In addition to Namibia's Osire refugee camp, Jolie is reported to have visited refugee camps in Tanzania, Congo, Thailand, Ecuador, Sri Lanka, Kosovo and Ingushetia.

Pitt and Jolie also constantly advocate the plight of refugees and those caught up in conflict on the world stage.

SPACE 'RESPECTED' In an interview with The Namibian when the actress left Namibia after shooting 'Beyond Borders', the producer, Lloyd Phillips, quoted Jolie as saying she had had a great time in the country.

Phillips said Jolie had felt very comfortable in Namibia "as people respected her space completely".

He said Jolie and her two co-stars, Clive Owen and Noah Emmerich had felt very connected to the country.

Although Jolie was rarely seen in public, many of the crew members and extras who worked with her or interacted with her on the movie set commented on how open and accessible she was.

She was not fussy about the food she ate, she made a point of greeting people on the set and played with the extras' children between shoots.

Jolie also made a special effort to thank all the people she worked with during the last week of filming.

Love the pic, but what a beyond ridiculous price for a picture! I wouldn't care if it was the whole Jolie-Pitt family I wouldn't pay dare that for it.

jpf

I would say that this Namibia trip lays to rest those bad rag articles that Angie had her mother flown to France so her dying mother could be there for the birth of the baby. If Angie's mother was really sick with cancer I doubt she'd be flying so much - Cali to France to Namibia.

#11, thanKs for posting the article,for the BAMZ+1 fans.
Angie and Brad are happy together as any first time expectant parent will be, as for all the propaganda, I say let's just wait when the baby is born and we will see their green eyes filled with envy!!!!

She looks great

Angelina is so pretty and she's fun. She enjoys life and it shows.

là on deconne trés grave hein une photos à 3500 non mais ils sont totalement fous les gens je ne l'acheterai meme pas pour 1 euro pourtant ke j'adore angelina jolie et j'aime bien brad aussi mais je pense quand meme que c'est trés exagéré

là on deconne trés grave hein une photos à 3500 non mais ils sont totalement fous les gens je ne l'acheterai meme pas pour 1 euro pourtant ke j'adore angelina jolie et j'aime bien brad aussi mais je pense quand meme que c'est trés exagéré

Thanks JJ...even an old picture, we still love to see Angelina and Maddox smile.

I"ll tell you what would bring in that amount of money....The infamous W magazine that featured Brad & Angelina. It's gonna be a collector's item. As with anything on ebay, verify & authenticate everything including the seller. There are so many fakes on that site. Selling this picture for that amount of money seems fishy and it's not even autographed (which would need to authenticated).

No thanks. I'm enjoying the picture right here on JJ for FREE!.

They look so happy in that picture. Angelina has the kind of face who amps her beauty when she smiles. There's a lot of pretty women who looks good in repose but loses something when they show their teeth. Maddox I think is trying to suppress a giggle. He so is enjoying the ride!

Angie and Mad look so darn cute.

Who the hell gives this person the right to sell pictures of AJ and her son? This is beyond stepping over the line.. I don't care what the reason/cause.. these are personal moments between a mother and son. I hope nobody bids on them!!! This is stalking!!!

Angelina has such a nice smile.

awww that photo is too cute! reminds me of myself and my 5 year old son. If I had the money I would purchase it only if it had a consent from Angie and I'm sure she would donate the money. If there's no consent, it would feel like I'm buying something that's been stolen.

Yeah I agree that whoever is selling this picture is pretty pathetic. I feel celebrities should have the same respect as any other parent on that ride. This person wouldn't try to sell the picture of the people in front of her so he shouldn't feel it's alright to sell hers'. Although she probably is pretty pissed that someone at Legoland would sell such a private moment she wouldn't waste her time sueing this person. I just hope noone bids on the picture. It supports the whole stalking thing the paparazzi do.

Awwwww... that pic is so cute. That's all I have to say.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE THE JOLIE-PITTS!

Love BAMZ+1 also. Hope and wish the very best for the family.

Great picture. They both look so very happy. Maddox is on lucky and blessed dude. Angelina is beautiful, however one would have to be out of their flamming minds to purchase a snap shot for that much money.

The pic is adorable, but that's expensive. Why would I pay for it when I can just save the one Just jared posted?

okay let me first stae that i love africa , i think it is one of the most beautiful places in the world but coooooooooommmmmmmmee onnnnnnn people who the hell leaves france a first world country with less turbulent conditions and more sterile hospitals to go have a baby in Nambia(if the sources are true)People in Nambia dont even want to have their babies in Nambia!!! I'm all for being ACEPTING AND VERY OPEN TO OTHER CULTURES BUT THE BIRTH OF A CHILD IS NOT SOMETHING YOU MESS AROUND WITH .IT IS NOT CASUAL.IT is not what uu want but what is best for the baby, and travelling to nambia when ur due to have a baby inless than three weeks does not sound like the best interest of th echild to me.Tattoos and that stuff find but when u r infringing on the lifes of others i think we should think a liitle more logically.I hope that she is not going to nambia and that she is at home resting or doing some breathing exercise or something !!!Nambia not necessary.

What a lovely picture of Angie and Maddox...I love this family.

Sometime this month will be the 1 year anniversary of the first African Beach photos. maybe they're just there to celebrate their Anniversary? I just don't think they'll be staying in Africa for too long. then again if the repotts are true and she is planning on giving birth in Africa... since they're there already I guess the baby is on her way sooner than I thought. YAY LoL

Arent women who are pregnant not suppose to be on rides? Or Flying to other countries? I know she was fine at 6 months or even 7, but 8months? Isnt that a bit risky?

Awww....
That's only what I can say. Angelina's smile is so precious. Maddox can not be cuter.

She has never looked more beautiful and satisfied!

u r coorect ,women that far along in their pregnancies are advised to stay grounded no pun intended.i just hope this child doesn't end up having brain damage or any such cognitive deficiences. all that cruising in the air is bound to catch up to her and that would be a shame because it was avoidable.let keep our fingers crossed.

piture of ride was taken in 2004-AJ WAS NOT PREGNANT-Flight was on PRivate Jet (probaby with doctor aboard)-Personally I wouldn't do it-but it's AJ and PB that are the parents-Much love to them

# 32 | nickybja, you sound so concerned even more than the unborn baby's parents. The truth is that you are probably not that "sweet". Purrrrlease.

Pregnant women do go for regualr check-ups and scans. These tests help you keep up with what's going on with the baby. I'm sure all is well. Katie Holme has been with Tom Cruise travelling and she's closer to giving birth. These people love their children and would not do anything delibrately to jeopardize their health.

they talkes about flying while pregnant on one of the entertainment shows. There is nothing wrong with flying while pregnant esp on a private plane. The doctor advices the pregnant woman too walk the aisle every hour though. that is all

Isn't funny how the same people that were happy a few days ago that they were splitting up are now suddenly worried about her baby's well being. Every body has become an expert in all things Brangelina, when she should smile, fly or walk or even where to have her baby.
So if they are in Namibia that means they did not split, and may be, just maybe, the paparazzi will leave them alone for a few weeks. I still think the baby is due in June, and it is a boy hence they have both spent so much time with mad.
I wish them all the best in what ever choices they make. And may she get back in abundance all that she has given to the poor, weak and oppressed the world over. Their humanity and grace under fire gives me faith in human race even though sometimes after reading some hatred on these blogs, that faith is seriously challenged. And for the hypocrital christains, is one of God's teachings not about taking care of the poor, and if that is the case God's love and blessings will be with them abundantly.

I agree with #32 about not messing with a child's birth place. No matter what the feelings the parents may have for a third world country, first world countries have many advantages, health, lack of susceptibility to prejudice, immigratio, etc to name a few.

My younger brother and myself were born to British medical doctors who loved, lived and worked in East and Central Africa in the 1960's.

While they may have enjoyed their time there back in the liberal and affluent 1960's of the time (British Colonies, etc), we have been born into a nightmare of prejudice, negative associations (usually untrue) and a struggle with a sense of hereditary identity. Even what should be the relatively simple process of obtaining a copy of a birth certificate takes 3-6 months in African countries, you just don't know how many other people are using your birth certificate and partly because of that, you have to beg, wait and finally threaten to simply get a copy. I won't even begin to mention the difficulties encountered when it comes to Immigration procedures when settling/visiting first world countries, albeit usually down to ignorance/prejudice, although I'm sure celebrities and their spouse may be somewhat exempt from those particular difficulties.

Whatever the case and inspite of our mutual love for Africa and third world countries, given the choice, we would much rather have been born in Europe or any first world country, in hindsight!

It would have made our lives so much easier!

I think they are just visiting . IMO You would think that Brad would want his THIRD child and his FIRST biological child born in the US closer to his family. I don't care where she has the baby as long as it's healthy and Angie is healthy. ROCK ON BAMZ+1

# 44 | Porgie -actually the law in the US have change in past years regarding children with both parents are US Citizen. It does not matter where the child is born, he/she will be automatically a US citizen. So I don't think the baby will have any problem at all. I am sure, the parent will have all the legal paper works ready. My goddaughter was born in France last November, it only took 1 week to get her US passport.

I just read on another thread that BAMZ is booked at the resort in Namibia for 10 weeks. BAMZ+1 rules!! Africa's fine to have a baby -- if not what about those who live there? What exactly are you saying? This will focus attention on the continent. AJ is truely a saint.

People, ya'll need to quit acting like they're going to be living in the bush with the natives. They are at a RESORT, for God's sake. There will be plenty of medical help there if necessary. Clearly AJ (and hopefully BP, too) feel it's important for all of their children to have a kinship beyond blood. AJ took custody of Maddox in Namibia, adopted Z in Ethiopia and probably wants her biological child to have that same tie with her adoptive children. It's not that unusual in families with adopted children to do something to help the adopted children realize that they are just as important as a biological child and to help the biological child bond with the adoptive siblings.

The place where they are rumored to be staying, is absolutely beautiful. There are medical facilities in the area! Africa is where they first hooked up. Pretty cool, if they decided to get married while they'll there.......Another rumor for the TABS!

Hope the family finally gets some of the privacy they deserve now that they are in Africa.
They looked relaxed when they first arrived in France but subsequently they must have been considerably stressed the way they were hounded everytime they have to step out of their apartment. It can't be healthy especially for the children.
I watched a video of AJ at some event in the US last Dec and it was scary the way the papps were pressing in on her. It was so aggressive and I just can't imagine what it must be like to have face this everytime a person steps out. And haters please don't say that she's a mediawhore! Reckon you should watch the clip just to get an idea of how terrifying it can be. Both these clips are on www.youtube for those interested.
So I just hope BAMZ+1 can finally get the chance to live normal life whilst they are in Namibia since it's gonna be a media circus once the baby arrives and they will eventually have to return to HW.
BTW you can catch an interview AJ had with Ryan Seacrest in which she mentioned that she was in Namibia when Maddox was brought to her from Cambodia.

Babies are born everywhere. I have caught babies on airplanes, in gas stations, in the back of cars, on Carribean beaches, in Jamaican huts,Birthing rooms, hospitals, homes....Been a perinatal CNM for over 20 years. So believe me it really is OK. She is close to a term gestaion now and I believe if labor would ensue all should be fine. AJ & BP would never put their child at risk. I am sure if it is to be born in Africa all the arrangemenst have been made and she will have the best medical care. She has friends there, privacy and I believe she is going to settle in and nest for awhile now. Just my hunch.

Does anyone know the name of the resort they are staying at in Namibia?

Just a few observations:
1. I am glad to see the conversation shift to more deliberate debate, as I'm new to reading these posts and the people at the last thread bickered in adolescent style. (almost made me find another site.)
2. E-bay has pulled celebrity property in the past that does not have authentic permission, so what gives here?
3. Angie can and will have her baby anywhere in the world she wants, and so should you! Humans have given birth for centuries without medical intrusions. I don't blame her a bit for seeking any kind of privacy. My own children were born at home with a midwife and they are surely vital enough to pass the human test.. why should a natural process like birth make so many uneasy?
Lighten up, peeps, and leave the lady alone for a while to breathe.

OH MY GOD,they look so cute! And Maddox looks ESPECIALLY adorable! AAAAWWWW!

I want Maddox! ;) What a little cutie-petutie! I just wanna squeeze those cheeks and ruffle that mohawk! :)

I heard it was Brads idea to have the baby in Africa. I guess he loves Africa just as much as angie does.

I am wondering, does Namibia grant automatic naturalization if you are born there? If so the baby can have Namibian citizenship. Also, is Angie's Cambodian citizenship only humanitarian 'honorary' one? Can she transfer her Cambodian citizenship to kids and spouse? Or is that country 'paternal oriented' as in Switzerland? I heard they have a really old fashioned law such as you need your father's permission to marry!

Also doesn't Angie have a Canadian citizenship through her mom? Can she transfer that to her kids and spouse?

I don't know international laws, but IF all the above is true:

Angie = American/Canadian/Cambodian
Maddox = American/Canadian/Cambodian
Zahara = American/Canadian/Cambodian?/Ethiopian
Brad (if marries legally) = American/Canadian/Cambodian?
The Baby aka "+1" = American/Canadian/Cambodian/Namibian?

Wow! Actually my kids have 4 nationalities each as well, not too uncommon these days... but not as exotic as these!!

My mother is French. When she married my Dad , a US citizen, she did not become an American citizen . It took her years to become an American citizen. She had to meet time requirements as well as take citizenship classes.

# 58 | Tabitha |
It took her years to become an American citizen.

Yeah I know. Naturalization through a spouse is harder. My interest is parental. Every country is different--if you are born in the US, you get the citizenship. Not in Switzerland, I'm not sure about French. My husband is French, so my American-born kids are automatically French. I was wondering if that applies to Cambodians, Canadians etc.

Also do you know if French Canadians are entitled to gain a French citizenship, although born in Canada? If so M. Bertrand maybe French, and BAMZ will be French! (if Brad marries legally for him)

I can't help comparing Katie Holmes pregnancy looks and Angelina's. I think they both look great but what I mean is, remember when Katie first announced her pregnancy on 5th October ( I did a wikipedia search and assume that's accurate). Everyone was saying she's huge, there's no way she could be just 3 months pregnant and she must be 5 months pregnant. I remember thinking, well, time will tell and guess what, here we are on April 6th and she's still preggers. (Please don't go down the fake pregnancy route, I beg you.) So let's see, October, november, december, january, february march, - that looks like 6 months to me.

Now everyone is assuming that Angelina will pop it out in early May and therefore she mustn't be flying, carrying maddox etc.. Well, perhaps, perhaps, whoever lives longest will know.

Anyway, just thought that Katie and Angelina are pretty skinny and may show earlier then normal women. I remember there was a teacher in my school who was frankly, rather over weight. She popped out 2 (not twins) to the total shock of me and my friends. I swear your couldn't tell if she was pregnant or just put on a little extra weight. LOL, you couldn't really tell that she had delivered the baby when she came back from maternity leave too:)

We don't actually know when either woman is due. The Tabs say Angie is due 2may, 18may, june; Katie RIGHT NOW! Only time will tell.They are carrying thier babies quite differently........

Thanks JJ, I'm addicted. I hope to see more pictures of the BAMZ

You're great!!!

HAY NAKU!!! AMG MAGA TAONG ITO!!! WALANG MAGAWA SA BUHAY KUNDI DADA NG DADA TUNGKOL SA BUHAY NG IBA!!! HAY NAKU, ANG TAO NGA NAMAN...PAGKAKATIKATI NG MGA DILA ESTE...DALIRI PALA!!!

OMG! what was that....did you say that Angie looks amazing??? because if you said that...i agree! if not

i dont agree LOL!!!!!!

The obsession of Brad and Angelina is veering towards insanity. This is a private moment of Angelina and her son and it should stay that way. I hope ebay takes it off.

Angie and Mad looks great!! :o) Very cute pic!! BTW, I don't believe in any gossip that A & B are having problems. Media just cant get any real sccop bout them so they fabricate things. I know that Ange and Brad are still together and will always be FOREVER!! I LOVE BAMZ + 1!!

#59

My Mother was a French citizen when I was born. I never considered myself a French citizen. I considered myself an American. I never thought I was a French Citizen. My Mother chose to become an American citizen. She did not have to become one. So if Brad is married to Angelina or they do get married and if Angelina has a citizenship to another country, Brad would have to want to become a citizen of another country and follow whatever residency and other requirements. It was never made clear if Angelina was made an official resident of Cambodia or some honorary type thing.

I was never told that I had a Dual citizenship.

I wish AJ could "let loose", laugh and smile all the time like that in public! They look absolutely georgeous +++++ ":)
(However, I do fully understand why she doesn't and/or why her and Brad don't.)
Excellent pic J2. Luvvvvvvvv to all the BAMZ+1 dudes here!

I have just surfed the net and found out one of the rumours is Brad has walked out from Angie. They have endless arguments. Can someone tell me whether it's true or not? I choose not to believe the tabloids. I love them and i hope it's not true..

#69: sharyn, why would he walk out now when the baby is about to be born? He has waited this long, so why do it now?

My dad is french and my mom american, and as such I automatically got french citizenship. I was born in the USA so I also have american citizenship. However, you need to register the kid at the french consulate as soon as possible or it's a nightmare to prove it later on. My dad registered me in chicago within a week.

However, legally speaking, the US won't technically allow you to keep dual citizenship. Luckily, France could care less so they'll still consider you a citizen even if the US makes you commit to the US. It's all very complicated. I was born before the law changed in any case, but nowadays from what I understand the US makes you choose. Most other countries don't care though.

When you become a US citizen you have to renounce your other citizenships, as well. My dad naturalized when I was 8, so for the US he's no longer a french citizen. But, like I said, France doesn't care one whit about that and he's still considered a french citizen over there. It's all rather stupid actually.

Sorry I just have to rant here.

Why oh why does Aniston have to make Brad and his family the butt of jokes and sole publicity vehicle for her cosmically proven lousy acting? She can't speak a straight sentence but unloads her uninspiring brain activity and contorted facial expressions whenever she comments on 'news' tabloids or her camp obviously plants. I hope she stops obsessing on BAMZ, for Vince's sake. or hope she marries him and he gets her millions in divorce settlement!

# 71 | knicknack |
# 67 | Tabitha |

My kids are the same as you two, born in America with a French father. But even you ask my 5 year old she says she is an "American". It really doesn't matter but there is a good aspect to own an EU passport, i.e. in the future you can establish residency and take a job anywhere in the EU. Also since my daughter is French, she is entitled to enter a French public school anytime she wants; next month she will attend a preschool in France for one month, for free. French passport is a very nice one to have :)

So if Jolie-Pitt's new baby is born in Namibia he/she could still have an OPTION to maintain some kind of ties to the land and the culture; that's brilliant on the parents' part.

I wonder why noone else is posting here. The Brad thread has gotten too long so it takes a while to download.

Someone said that there is picture or an article on one of Brad's forum regarding the Namibia visit. Can somebody post a link, please?

thanks.

someone posted this earlier today for those of you who have not heard the brangelina song go on this link its fab.

http://brangelinafans.blogspot.com/

Where is the news of the family going to Namibia? Is it just one place, or corroborated elsewhere?

# 76 | remember the truth
here you go.
http://www.namibian.com.na/

Thank you, Stef, I saw the article cut and pasted on one of these threads, was wondering ab out whether it's true or just like a tabloid story. I sure hope it's true and they get some privacy and are having a good time together!

Oh, my gosh. Must really be true then coz I recognize Mickey (even with his back turned). Thanks, stef.

I wonder if they'll have it on the celebrity news tonight. Lately, they have been very sparing of the news about the couple since most of the rumors keep turning out to be just a wild goose chase. It's hurting their credibility, I guess.

I hope they mention this tonight though so those infuriating rumors of breakups will dwindle down.

yeah i know what you mean i reckon it will be at least a week before we see any fresh pictures. africa is beautiful so i expect they are just chilling in antisipation! id be shitting myself if i was at her stage in pregnancy, any moment really eh!

I recognized Mickey, too, and that gave me hope, but that scene could be anywhere. I sure hope it's true and they can get a break.

yeah so do i, im a great fan of faith. so im hoping all is good in that camp. brad is not silly and angelina is certainlly a girl with her head screwed on, if there is one thing you can buy in africa its privacy! trust me! i know, ive been. especially in that resort! very high class.

hey ho people, its midnight here in the UK so im hitting the hay for the night. ill be back tomorrow.
keep up the love!
take care
night

So cool of you Stef to get us this link. THanks much, and get some sleep!

Here is my reason for thinking that Pitt and Jolie are married. Please bear with me because I am going to try to cut and paste all relevant links, I still have some legal issues to look up, but here goes.
1-I guess I will start in the middle-In December 2005 BP petitioned to court to adopt Maddox and Zahara and to change their names. There are two types of adoption -One the step parent adoption where someone who is already married adopts. If this is the case, there are less legalities involved and the process is shorter. Type two:When two people are not married the following has to occur (not necessrily in this order):
1-The custodial parent has to take out an ad in the paper
2-A social worker has to visit to see the enviroment and how the person trying to adopt interacts with the child
3-The paperwork has to be prepared after the visits are concluded and a recommendation for or against the adoption has to occur.
This is what is documented by reliable sources:
Aug 2005-divorce from Anniston is final'however, legal partnership will not wnd until 10/2005-Thus the marriage nor adoption or name change process coud begin until after October 2, 2005. Backdating we all Know Jolie was pregnant in October 2005. At that time the children were Maddox C. Jolie-Thornton and Zahara Marley Jolie-The newbaby if born without marriage or any name changes would have been Baby Jolie-

Prt 2-Sorry, I am in the middle of something else so this will be in many parts-pls see the link below
http://www.officiantguy.com/MarriageLicense.html

sorry but i am being intrerupted-I will start over in the morning and give you point by point-remember the previous link verifies that marriages in CA can be private-Also the name change was done (according to my theory) because the new baby will be baby Jolie-Pitt-

huh? The new baby would have been a jolie-pitt even if they weren't married though. I do think they're already married or maybe planning on getting married in Africa. that would be beautiful.

oh wait, I see what you'r saying. They changed M ad &z 's name to jolie-pitt so all their kids will all have the same last name? right?

Last post-sorry this is sooo unorganized
Points to ponder: There have been no documented social work or court appointed adoption agency visits(the paps would have certainly caught that)
2-The family has been traveling out of the country since 1/06 and continously since 2/06
so there is no way to really document this interraction
3-If at anytime the couple who is petitioning for one of the partners to adopt (while they are unmarried) marries, the visits and other legalities become unecessary-cuin the morninig with the rest

Hey Malibumom, thanks for posting on this thread instead. The Brad Pitt documentary thread is a bear to load up.

"Type two:When two people are not married the following has to occur (not necessrily in this order):
1-The custodial parent has to take out an ad in the paper"

Indeed Angie did take an ad out in the local paper announcing the name change, which would support the unmarried status.

"At that time the children were Maddox C. Jolie-Thornton and Zahara Marley Jolie"

Actually since Angie's divorce from Billy Bob, Maddox's last name has been just Jolie.

Being that the baby is legally (regardless of marriage) and technically Brad's, it would be natural for the last name to be Jolie-Pitt.

Don't know where else you're taking us, but you got me hooked.

# 90 | mmom | April 6, 2006 11:16 PM

Good points to consider but the social workers could have made the visits between December 5th and mid-January before the family took off to London in prep for Angie's appearance at the Davos economic conference.

I'm still listening but those Brad, Jen letters would keep me more attentive.

Hello Cindy2,I thought the same thing about the social worker vists,but would they do 3 to 4 vists in such a short time frame?The thing that makes me think they might be married is,why would a woman let a man adopt her kids and have legal rights to them if she was not going to marry him?

Did they filed for the adoption papers?...I thought they only file for the name change. Name change is easy, as long as no one protest, after publication and both or in this case only Angie needs to give consent, since she is the children sole legal guardian. But adoption, you need to have a few more step. I did not see any publication for adoption. Any one seen it?...and you are corrected, if the parents are married, there are no need for social workers or court rep. to be involve.

Hi back, lou.

Good questions and who really knows but the public servants working in the California court system?

I believe that she allowed Brad to be the adoptive parent to unite their growing family as a unit, that doesn't necessarily have to be sanctioned by marriage. As long as the children all have the same legal parents, they are a family. In the interim, Maddox and Zahara aren't legally Brad's yet. But we know for all intents and purposes, Brad is their father.

I will say that it would seem to me for their future adoptions, it would be easier if Brad and Angie were married. Would they be able to adopt as a couple to avoid these later adoption papers?

Damn Estelle, couldn't you have posted after my #95 so I didn't miss reading your #94? Then I could have replied to you all in the same message. ;)

My understanding is that adoption papers are private so we didn't get the court documents in the public domain as with the paperwork for the name change.

But according to the name-change documents, the reason stated for the change is "adoptive father-to-be." And Brad's publicist confirmed he was in the process of adopting. It would seem logical to have all the paperwork filed at the same time or around the same time. Otherwise, it would be akin to putting the cart before the horse, no?

MMOM: (like that)

I see where you are going and it does make perfect sense. If they wanted to expediate the process and get married eliminating the social worler vvisits, wouldn't they have done that in Cali ? and if they did wouldn't they have that as public record. I am sure the razzi's would have figured that one out by now.

This is my take on the marriage thing and the adoption issue

I think they got married sometime over Xmas... remember his family visited during that time (his b/day-xmas) If u look at the pics in Jan when Angie is picking up or taking Mad to school she has on the gold band that Brad has on her thumb.... i noticed Brad's band from the Haiti pictures.....

I think the adoption process started way before the public became aware of it.... Technically the divorce came thru in Aug and every thing was signed off on.... Adoptions details are not published to protect the kids....The only reason I think the public learnt about the adoption is because with the name change she had to post the petition in the paper.

Last month a couple of haters stated that adoption paper had never been filed,but 2 differnt posts under the name anon said that Brad did file adoption papers.They stated they worked in La county clecks office and also said that adoption papers are sealed to the public.But the person did assure us William Bradley Pitt did file adoption papers to adopt maddox and zahara.I did do a little research myself and you have to do the name change and the adoption seperate.People do the name change first because it the easier task then do the adoption after.

# 96 | cindy2 -Sorry! :(
it took forever for me to post ....you guys are too fast for me....I can not read and type at the same time....But, thanks for the explanation, ...hmmm....make sense...

I want to remind that there were discussions on whether Brad had filed the adoption papers (as the haters love to delude themselves that Brad would somehow pull out of adopting) in an older thread. There were two people who seemed to have access to court papers and in oblique and direct words confirmed the adoption papers were filed. One of the posters is someone we actually know, so it's not one of those anonymous BSing posts.

HI CINDY2!
You would think it would be much easier for them to get married. I don't know I just think they are. if they filed all the papers in California and were married in paris after the 40 day requirement would that hold up? How could you find that out if they were married in the US embassy like we talked about rumors before coming out of France? I believe we established that they could indeed have done that.

# 100 | Estelle | April 6, 2006 11:43 PM

No apologies needed. I was teasing you. As you can see, Lou posted something that paralleled what I said. I hadn't seen her post before I posted. It must be I who is too slow typing and posting to beat the other posts.

Well I guess we will have to wait and see if they get married or not,either way Mad and Z will have a wonderful loving father,and Angie a wonderful and loving partner.Thats what counts!

Ok...I know that the procedures and the details of divorce papers, adoption following the petitione can be seal, but first time filing paper is in public records...like when JA filed for divorce paper, the next day, we have scan copy of the divorce filing on the internet, but the details of the final papers were seal. So, assuming all legal summons and petition are public at first filing, we should have court record? no?...

Malibumom you have got my mouth watering! Great sleuthing there, and you made me remember something I read on Lainy awhile back. When you brought up the name thing Jolie-Pitt, I remembered being confused by how adopting the kids would protect them if Angelina/Brad had a baby. I still don't really get it, but maybe your research will make the light go on in my head.

This is a snippet from Nov 7, 2005 that Lainey wrote:

"I'm also hearing that one of the reasons behind Angie's decision to allow Brad to adopt her children is because she wants to protect them in the event that THEY CONCEIVE A CHILD OF THEIR OWN."

Here's the link to the whole article (long) should anyone be interested.

http://www.laineygossip.com/ArticleList.aspx?ID=2755

jpf

HI Keeping it real!

I saw your message with my mention, but right now, I don't want to post to there addressing the earlier posts. Yeah, same deal. The loading of the page that hangs up my computer.

One thing I could believe is that they would do a small affair marriage like Matt Damon's streamlined , simple marriage in New York City Hall. There needn't be any pomp and spectacle.

# 103 | cindy2 ...I know you are teasing..:))) you are top cool on my list...never doubt it....and # 104 | The real lou -yep..in the end that what's counts.

# 105 | Estelle | April 6, 2006 11:51 PM

Certain records are sealed from the public. Even certain divorce records, which normally are public, can be sealed from the public when good cause can be shown. In the case of adoption papers, those are kept away from the public.

Off of MOMM's link:
RESIDENCE: You do not have to live in Los Angeles county or be a U.S. citizen in order to have a CA marriage license or a L.A. county marriage license issued.!!

# 107 | cindy2 | April 6, 2006 11:53 PM

"One thing I could believe is that they would do a small affair marriage like Matt Damon's streamlined , simple marriage in New York City Hall. There needn't be any pomp and spectacle. "

I so totally agree there Cindy2. Angie never struck me as the big ceremony type "which is wonderful if that's your thing." Did she and BBT have a wedding, or was it a JOP like with JLM (lord, at least she won't be marrying another man with a name straight out of Deliverance!"

jpf

#85-103, VERY INTERESTING POSTS!!!
VERY REFRESHING!!! THANK YOU FOR THE INFO!!

If they aren't already married, I think it will happen soon. ROCK ON BAMZ+1

# 109 | cindy2- ok...than is that...so the question is still are they married or not?....we have to wait for Malibumom...# 106 | Original jpf-thanks for the link.

# 110 | Keeping it Real | April 6, 2006 11:57 PM

Keeping it real, I wonder if the law's like that because of it being the entertainment capital, and so many international stars coming in and out, or people who live in CA normally, may be on location in Moscow and meet someone and want to get married pronto, and this allows that?

jpf

#111 AJ/BBT were married in Las Vegas.

OK so I have 2 theorys

1. Married in LA county sometime in December-1/06r with filing papers possibly public.
2.Married in another counrty

Original jpf, a name straight out of Deliverance.You made me choke on my tea.To this day I will NEVER understand why she married that man.I have gone over and over this issue in my head,I just don't get it.The only thing I could come up with is maybe because he was quote normal campared the the rest of the men in hollywood.I feel before she got to know Brad she just looked at him as being just another pretty.When was with you know who,thats how I looked at him,Tanning and Gucci.

I meant pretty boy,not pretty.

# 112 | kerchy | April 7, 2006 12:01 AM
To tell you the truth, I didn't have anything much to say or add to this thread until Malibumom's marriage speculation. Then, my analytical mind went into overdrive.

I actually loved "Deliverance" (but I won't be going whitewater rafting in any backwoods anytime soon). Jon Voight was great in it, as well as in "Midnight Cowboy." Angie really does have a talented father, even though he might have been the shits as a parent.

Hey guys, just wanted to say a quick G.Nite. Too tired to process all the posts, right now. After reading MMOM's post three time, I figured it was best to go to bed. Tommorow, I'll give it the attention, it sounds intriguing. Won't that be something, married all this time while the paps were busy chasing their tails. The Ultimate Punked eh?

have fun guys!

http://paris.usembassy.gov/consul/acs/guide/Marriage.pdf

They could have easily gotten married in France if they were there for 40 consecutive days.

Before I ask this, I DO heart this family, but I'm just curious BAMZ lovers. Do you think this was a planned pregnancy? PLEASE DON'T KILL ME!!

# 122 | Just Curious | April 7, 2006 12:13 AM

Now why would we kill you? We might punk you for fun, but killing? Those we reserve for haters. Punking means you're part of the BAMZ gang.

I'm of the opinion (as that is all I have since I wasn't that fly on the wall) that the pregnancy was planned.

# 115 | kerchy | April 7, 2006 12:05 AM

Thanks! AJ/BBT getting married in Vegas.....very fitting.

jpf

I believe it was. No birth control. Now I hardly believe AJ after all her wild days and not evr publically anyway PG had her BC down.
No way it wasn't planned. They moved so fast on it all too nobody could figure it out. smart lawyers they have.

Jon Voight is a very GOOD actor. Too bad they just don't click. Can you imagine having grandchildren as beautiful as Maddox/Zahara are and having no contact with them? It's really sad....

#122 I think it was.Angelina is 30 she knows the in's and out's of birth control.This woman stated many times that she did not want to bare childern,thats how I know she is in LOVE.She is whipped,people say Brad is whipped no,ANGIE IS WHIPPED,BIG TIME.Don't get me wrong,If Brad pissed her off she will give him hell,but she really loves him.

I was also looking through lainey's B & A gossip too
"So anyway, back to the much talked about wedding that never happened. Now that that’s over with for the time being, my sources are still insisting that the two will end up in Africa to deliver once they complete their 40 day requirement for marriage in France. And since Angie really shouldn’t be traveling after her 7th month, chances are they plan to head to the birthplace of their love and of their Zahara very, very soon. It would be romantic, non? Romantic and also so significant for us all."

I think they got married in france. LOL

Estelle: Yes for that reason too but I think actually most states provide this provision to get married say in Europe or their native country as well.

Las Vegas.... Theory #3. They were up in that area but I don't remember if it was in December. They were in Northernn Az. Could have easily driven to Las vegas though for the day. Probably flew ther. Will see what I can find.

I don't think the pregnancy is planned, since they have just adopted Z, I think it was a pleasant and happy accident. I mean, if I am planning to adopt a new baby, why would I also planned to be pregnant at the same time?...

Wow thanks for all the insights guys, so amazing reading all you guys' posts.
# 127 | The real lou-- so interestin about who's whipped..i do agree that the pregnancy was planned, remember she and her mother talked about having another gemini like her. Yup loving the bamz+1...i truly cannot wait!!!

Here's a link with a lot of pgotos in chronological order date wise of their coming & goings. Gee these people get around huh?

http://www.goangelina.com/index.php?cat=32

Looks like an informative site going to check it out.

#122. I think it was planned. Good question.......IMO she fell in love with him, a love that she never experinced before; not with Billy Bob or Johnny Lee.

Kerchy,I agree it's a shame that Jon Voight will never get to know his grandkids.I bet he wishs he was a better father to their mother now.Well Goodnight all,I have to wake up early to get 1 of my kids off to school.Untill tomorrow.P.S hopefully we will have some new information by then.

# 132 | Keeping it real
thanks I am so going to add that to my favorites (websites)

They have been to 9 different countries this year:

USA
HAITI
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
ENGLAND
SWITZERLAND
FRANCE
GERMANY
AUSTRIA
NAMBIA
AMAZING!!!

sdsu, are you in San Diego CA?

OK photo on above link (TONS OF PHOTOS) has her going into a federal building with Zara and her assistant Dec 09 2006 Probably when she was filing for name change. Great site check it out!

my bad guys...im a regular...that is me (sdsu). Yea san diego (san diego state uni)

However, legally speaking, the US won't technically allow you to keep dual citizenship.

When you become a US citizen you have to renounce your other citizenships, as well.
# 71 | knicknack | April 6, 2006 01:04 PM

Informative post. That is my understanding of citizenship in the States. You must renounce the former citizenship to be an American citizen. Perhaps, that is limited to naturalized citizens only and not to natives born in the States of parents with foreign citizenship and children of US citizens born in other countries that recognize citizenship by birth rights (Japan won't as many Japanese-born Koreans know).

Yet, I hear Canadians living in the States saying they have dual citizenship even when they've become naturalized US citizen. I believe Jim Carrey states he has dual citizenship. Maybe Canada also has that liberal French standard. Interesting how the States exacts more allegiance while France doesn't.

Are you t

angelah, I'M IN SAN DIEGO TOO!!!