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Celebrities React to Adam Saleh's Removal From Delta Flight for Allegedly Speaking Arabic

Celebrities React to Adam Saleh's Removal From Delta Flight for Allegedly Speaking Arabic

Adam Saleh, a YouTube star and noted prankster, was removed from a Delta flight after allegedly speaking to his mom in Arabic before the airplane took off.

The 23-year-old YouTuber caught the aftermath on video and tweeted it out for everyone to watch.

Adam has received a lot of celebrity support after the incident, including tweets from Olivia Wilde, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Halsey, and more.

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  • Dylan

    Delta deserves this and much worse. Pathetic.

  • John Dow

    Hope Delta will put all these whining, pathetic, libtards on no fly list. This man has a history of YouTube pranks, videos, and set up situations. He lies, stages fights, lies after that trying to say he was schooling us about how gullible the public is. The dump i took this morning had more intelligence than this guy and these so-called celebrities.

  • HankHill/Back the Badge

    Delta sux anyway. He should sue them!

  • sydney jane

    Amazing how people will believe anything. People who were on the flight with him said it did not happen. And, this guy has a history of making false hate claims. Most of these claims of “hate” crimes against Muslims have proven to be made up. I bet you anything this guy is a Hillary supporter.

  • John Denver

    Those people in the back cheering and waving were not fake.

  • Roscoe

    Even if what he is saying is true, it seems like a stunt to shame and lull non muslims into accepting the known liars into our fold. For what? So they can more easily sexually assault boys, girls, and women or carry out additional terror attacks? The day someone tries to impose sharia on me or my family will likely be his last day.

  • persononhere

    another useless nobody thinking they’re entitled to do and say whatever they want and we all have to accept it. sick of these phony wanna-be ‘celebs’ and even the regular celebs. go delta

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  • Jessica

    lol by they you mean who. i’m an Arab and does that mean my father is a killer or rapist ? or are my kids in the future be. saying they is stupid because you basically say over a 100 million people in the world including muslim americans and muslim asians are terrorists and rapist. no wonder the comments not believing him are people hating for no reason. i bet you would be saying bye if you were there. i don’t believe no disbelieve him it’s internet but being a muslim i’ve been hated on for no reason even pushed off the sidewalk almost hit by a car

  • Sam

    I will never fly with you delta, i pray and hope that someday you land in a Bermuda Triangle accidentally and get disappeared forever for racial profiling two passengers in your plane for a crime that was jus speaking in arabic. And what If some people don’t know english what if it’s an old man who don’t know english or women talks in other language are you gonna take him out too, that’s insane. I believe what you did with those people jus brought Rosa parks incident again. And one day Rosa parks will rise from muslim side too.

  • Sam

    I will never fly with you delta, i pray and hope that someday you land in a Bermuda Triangle accidentally and get disappeared forever for racial profiling two passengers in your plane for a crime that was jus speaking in arabic. And what If some people don’t know english what if it’s an old man who don’t know english or women talks in other language are you gonna take him out too, that’s insane. I believe what you did with those people jus brought Rosa parks incident again. And one day Rosa parks will rise from muslim side too.

  • Sam

    I will never fly with you delta, i pray and hope that someday you land in a Bermuda Triangle accidentally and get disappeared forever for racial profiling two passengers in your plane for a crime that was jus speaking in arabic. And what If some people don’t know english what if it’s an old man who don’t know english or women talks in other language are you gonna take him out too, that’s insane. I believe what you did with those people jus brought Rosa parks incident again. And one day Rosa parks will rise from muslim side too.

  • Sam

    I will never fly with you delta, i pray and hope that someday you land in a Bermuda Triangle accidentally and get disappeared forever for racial profiling two passengers in your plane for a crime that was jus speaking in arabic. And what If some people don’t know english what if it’s an old man who don’t know english or women talks in other language are you gonna take him out too, that’s insane. I believe what you did with those people jus brought Rosa parks incident again. And one day Rosa parks will rise from muslim side too.

  • Sam

    I will never fly with you delta, i pray and hope that someday you land in a Bermuda Triangle accidentally and get disappeared forever for racial profiling two passengers in your plane for a crime that was jus speaking in arabic. And what If some people don’t know english what if it’s an old man who don’t know english or women talks in other language are you gonna take him out too, that’s insane. I believe what you did with those people jus brought Rosa parks incident again. And one day Rosa parks will rise from muslim side too.

  • Sam

    I will never fly with you delta, i pray and hope that someday you land in a Bermuda Triangle accidentally and get disappeared forever for racial profiling two passengers in your plane for a crime that was jus speaking in arabic. And what If some people don’t know english what if it’s an old man who don’t know english or women talks in other language are you gonna take him out too, that’s insane. I believe what you did with those people jus brought Rosa parks incident again. And one day Rosa parks will rise from muslim side too.

  • Roscoe

    I’ve heard of about 5 criminal acts by muslims in the last week and a half or so. One was the hoax by a female to trick her parents, one was a rape and murder, and the rest were terrorist attacks. All but one of those crimes is looked upon favorably and encouraged by their religion. If anyone’s religion tells them it is ok to lie to so-called nonbelievers, I’m under no obligation to trust or want anything to do with them regardless of how nice they are. Infesting and conquering non muslim nations by any means is mandated too. Why are so called refugees allowed into this country with no regard for what the citizens want even after all that has and will continue to happen?

  • John Dow

    You are a muslim and you want innocent people to die… are you from ISIS or Al-Qaeda?

  • Katrina

    How on earth is it proven? The guy posted numerous videos on Twitter and cried that all this was real. What benefit is he going to get by making this up? The racist imbeciles were saying bye to him!

  • Katrina

    Another person who thinks she knows Islam when she doesn’t. Instead of learning about Islam or any religion by visiting their anti-Islamic or anti-(whatever religion) site why don’t you actually pick up their Quran or any religious scripture and actually learn? There is nothing in the Quran that promotes terrorism, rape, or lying to non-believers. The websites you are getting this from are a.) don’t even exist in the Quran or b.) are grossly exaggerated/blown out of proportion. Also please look up the difference between a non-Muslim and unbeliever under Islam. Unbeliever does NOT mean anyone who is a Christian, Jew, or simply someone who is a non-Muslim. Hope you take something away from this video: https://www.facebook.com/TheDeenShowTV/videos/10152289010201104/

  • Kelly

    People waving goodbye to an obnoxious jackass is racist?

  • Kelly

    More like Delta should sue him.

  • Katrina

    Why should Delta sue him? What stupid logic.

  • CJ

    Because the truth already came out. Multiple passengers claimed that He and his friend slim were both trying to get a reaction out of people. They balled their fists in the air and shouted words in arabic Four times. One of the passengers nearby said that his friend was egging him on, At which point a nearby passenger asked them to stop. His response was to say shut up to them, and continued to do what he was doing, only this time started filming other passengers reactions with his phone. The flight attendant approached him and asked him to remove the media from his phone which he complied but then began an uproar again with other passengers at which point he grabbed his phone and started recording the video you’ve seen throughout the media. There are two sides to every story. Don’t just believe what you hear the first time.

  • Kelly

    Exactly. Thank you CJ. He was clearly an obnoxious jackass trying to create a “prank” out of a situation that is still very sensitive to people. He was trying to scare the hell out of all of those people. He deserved to get kicked off.

  • Michael Schools

    Because the truth already came out. Multiple passengers claimed that He and his friend slim were both trying to get a reaction out of people. They balled their fists in the air and shouted words in arabic Four times. One of the passengers nearby said that his friend was egging him on, At which point a nearby passenger asked them to stop. His response was to say shut up to them, and continued to do what he was doing, only this time started filming other passengers reactions with his phone. The flight attendant approached him and asked him to remove the media from his phone which he complied but then began an uproar again with other passengers at which point he grabbed his phone and started recording the video you’ve seen throughout the media. There are two sides to every story. Don’t just believe what you hear the first time.

  • Michael Schools

    The truth already came out. Multiple passengers claimed that He and his friend slim were both trying to get a reaction out of people. They balled their fists in the air and shouted words in arabic Four times. One of the passengers nearby said that his friend was egging him on, At which point a nearby passenger asked them to stop. His response was to say shut up to them, and continued to do what he was doing, only this time started filming other passengers reactions with his phone. The flight attendant approached him and asked him to remove the media from his phone which he complied but then began an uproar again with other passengers at which point he grabbed his phone and started recording the video you’ve seen throughout the media. There are two sides to every story. Don’t just believe what you hear the first time.

  • Michael Schools

    Truth already came out. Multiple passengers claimed that He and his friend slim were both trying to get a reaction out of people. They balled their fists in the air and shouted words in arabic Four times. One of the passengers nearby said that his friend was egging him on, At which point a nearby passenger asked them to stop. His response was to say shut up to them, and continued to do what he was doing, only this time started filming other passengers reactions with his phone. The flight attendant approached him and asked him to remove the media from his phone which he complied but then began an uproar again with other passengers at which point he grabbed his phone and started recording the video you’ve seen throughout the media. There are two sides to every story. Don’t just believe what you hear the first time.

  • Michael Schools

    Hey, the truth already came out. Multiple passengers claimed that He and his friend slim were both trying to get a reaction out of people. They balled their fists in the air and shouted words in arabic Four times. One of the passengers nearby said that his friend was egging him on, At which point a nearby passenger asked them to stop. His response was to say shut up to them, and continued to do what he was doing, only this time started filming other passengers reactions with his phone. The flight attendant approached him and asked him to remove the media from his phone which he complied but then began an uproar again with other passengers at which point he grabbed his phone and started recording the video you’ve seen throughout the media. There are two sides to every story. Don’t just believe what you hear the first time.

  • dz11

    Nothing in the Quran that promotes terrorism you say? Please stop lying. Here’s just one verse out of 109 violent verses in the Quran which anyone can check for themselves Ms Liar. This one tells muslims to cut off the heads of non believers.

    Quran (8:12)
    – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore
    strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No
    reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The targets of
    violence are “those who disbelieve” – further defined in the next verse (13) as “defy and disobey Allah.” Nothing is said about
    self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after
    a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan
    to steal goods belonging to other people.

  • Katrina

    Unless you picked up a real Quran and studied Islam on your own then it’s a waste of time arguing. Like I told Roscoe, I am going to repeat the same thing to you. Do not go to an anti-Islamic site and copy and paste quotes and show off that you “know” Islam.
    a.) Unbeliever and non-Muslims are two different people/things in Islam. Unbeliever does not automatically mean a Christian, Jew, or simply just anyone that’s not a Muslim. There is a very clear distinction and if you read the Quran entirely, you would know this. In the Quran, Christians and Jews are called “People of the Book” -they are not considered to be infidels, unbelievers, or Kafirs. If you read the Quran you would know this.
    b.) please read the entire chapter of where you found that verse. The whole thing is a historical thing that happened-it was a time related phrase. In no way does it mean that in present day Muslims should go and kill anyone that’s not a Muslim. It is specifically talking about Meccan pagans who declared war against Muhammad and his community. Read the whole chapter.
    c.) “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69)”
    That quote wouldn’t be so crystal clear if Christians, Jews, Sabians, and/or anyone who believes in God are considered the same as “unbelievers” very clear distinction.
    and lastly d.) Please watch this: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152289010201104

  • dz11

    99% of terrorist attacks today are committed by Muslims, so take your lies and shove them somewhere the sun don’t shine. It is clear by their actions that many Muslims consider Jews and christians as non believers. Many Muslim scholars of today consider Jews and Christians as non believers. Atheists were not mentioned by you because you want to hide the truth about what Muslims think should happen to atheists. That is to say, death to atheists as every Muslim agrees that atheists are non believers.

    Also, what is the penalty for apostacy in Islam? Yes, the penalty is death. Islam is a death cult and you are a liar for it.

  • Katrina

    1. Once again stop visiting anti-Islamic sites to get your information.

    2. The “99% of terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims” is a lie that you pulled out. Did you know that non-Muslims committed more than 90% of terrorist attacks in America?

    3. Christians and Jews are not considered “unbelievers” or “infidels” because everywhere in the Quran the “unbelievers” were considered to be the Meccan pagans and plus this quote would not exist: “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69)” please comment on that quote and don’t ignore it.

    4. In regards to apostasy, the Quran clearly states there are those who believe then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve again. This proves death for apostasy simply did not exist, because if it did, it would be impossible to believe again after unbelief, as they would have been put to death after the first unbelief:

    Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, God will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path. [4:137]

    This is further proven by the following verse:

    How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people. [3:86]

    The Quran states, in no uncertain terms, that there is no compulsion in religion:

    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God has grasped the most sure hand-hold, that never breaks. And God is Hearing, Knowing. [2:256]

    The Quran states that God could have made all those on earth believe, thus asks who is man to enforce such a thing if God did not:

    And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers? [10:99]

    The Quran states there were those who believed part of the time, then disbelieved part of the time in order to confuse and sow discord amongst the believers of the time. If death for apostasy existed, no sane minded person would attempt to do this as they would be killed the very first time they tried it:

    A section of the People of the Book say: “Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back. [3:72]

    There is also a very clear example set out in 4:88-91, in which the believers are told to offer peace with those who became hypocrites/apostates (i.e. were Muslim in name only but did not follow through with action during hostilities/fighting in this case) if they also offer peace.

    It is very clear that ‘death for apostasy’ does not exist in The Quran. People are free to believe and live their lives accordingly or not. If a community or system or any structure deprives its members of this basic freedom, it will produce hypocrites and suppressed people who have no strength of belief or goals to work for and will likely result in a weak system or community. Freedom of belief is the air that healthy and just communities breathe.
    5. Even though such cruel punishments like stoning, beheading, and hanging exist in some Muslim countries, they are listed nowhere in the Quran. Those are all man-made rules and has no connection to Islam.

    6. Did you check this video out yet? https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152289010201104

  • dz11

    My quote about chopping off the heads and fingertips of infidels was from the Quran, so you’re lying once again when you said cruel punishments are nowhere in the Quran. There are many more barbaric punishments in the Hadith which is an Islamic religious text second only to the Quran, so who do you think you are kidding by pretending these barbaric punishments don’t exist in Islam.

    Your statistics for terrorism are another shameful lie. There is a page on wikipedia that lists all known terrorist attacks and who the perpetrator is. Anyone searching through the list and simply counting the incidents can see for themselves it is about 99% Muslims committing these atrocities. So there is no need to believe myself or you, anyone who can count and read can see the truth on that page. Here is the page just for December 2016.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_December_2016

    As for your lies about terrorism in the USA. If you look at the death count for this year in the US it is 53 out of 65 terrorism deaths at the hands of Muslims. That’s 81% of terrorist deaths in the USA this year done by Muslims. Muslims are 1% of the US population but they are responsible for 81% of terrorist deaths in the USA!

    Wake up America. You are being lied to by Muslims like Katrina, or whatever his or her name really is.

  • Katrina

    1. I’ve said this again and will say it repeatedly if I have to and that is *do not visit anti-Islamic sites and now also Wikipedia to gather information about Islam* to prove your point. It makes people look foolish that the way they know someone’s religion is just based on Wikipedia and anti-whatever religion sites. The best way to understand someone’s religion is to read their book from start to finish.

    2. This one will be repeated again. Infidels does not mean = Christians and Jews. That quote you love to bring up is referring about Meccan pagans in a historical context. Infidels = Meccan pagans. Christians and Jews have never and were never called Inifdels/kafirs/unbelievers. They were always called and referred to as People of the Book.

    This has been mentioned so many times by critics of Islam and obviously they have to bring this up to prove their “point” that Islam accepts violence towards “disbelievers.” Critics always take this way out of context. To understand the context you need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.” [Al-Qur’an 9:5]–This verse is quoted in a BATTLE.

    For example, we know that America had a war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher, but if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.

    Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Quran says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.

    Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He actually quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realize that he has skipped verse 6.

    Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

    “If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” [Al-Qur’an 9:6]

    The Quran not only says that a Mushriq looking for asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

    That quote you pull out is not talking about present tense. *READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER* otherwise don’t bring it up.

    3. Hadith is all man made and has been grossly fabricated. it is not the word of God. Every Muslim scholar has said you do not need the Hadith to understand the Quran or Islam because most of it is false. It’s only racist pricks that love to keep bringing it up. 95% of the Hadith contradicts the Quran. It was written 250 years + after the Muhammad died and people were illiterate in those days. (Muhammad was also illiterate). Many things get lost into translation and it was rejected for many years because nobody could know what was true and what was false and wasn’t even practiced until many years later (except most Muslims today don’t follow it).

    4. Innocent people were killed in other countries, but they don’t matter to some of you because they have another nationality? If anyone thinks they are of more value and deserve life more than any other because of race, religion, nationality, gender, etc… You are a self righteous, sociopathic moron who is guilty of contributing to life’s monstrosities. Half of Americans are apathetic fools who know very very little about foreign affair policies, history, law, or the meaning of the Constitution. Some people just need to sit back, shut up, open some books, and find a way to learn empathy and compassion.

    Since 9/11, 258 American citizens have died due to terrorism. Most of them outside America. Only in 2010, 6148 deaths were gun related and thousands more because of obesity and drugs. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands that are homeless and hungry everyday. If your government gave a shit about its citizens, they wouldn’t go to war and instead spend half of that money on education and rehabilitation systems they would prevent many more deaths than going to war in Afghanistan, Iraq and now Syria.

    It seems that you have been raised to hate others because of race or class, in addition to being conditioned to hate all foreigners. Sad.

  • dz11

    You are not being honest about your own religion and the importance of the hadith in it. It may not be important to you, but it is taken seriusly by hundreds of millions of people as well as the quran, which you are choosing to interpret differently to the way millions of muslims interpret it.

    Islam is nota race. Telling the truth about what is going on in the world is not racist. Warning people about the dangers of the cult of death known as Islam to save lives is not sociopathic. It’s a shame you have chosen this path of lying to people about your religion. Why not put your efforts in trying to reform it instead of lying about it?

  • Katrina

    1. How am I being dishonest with my own religion? Did I ever tell you I belong to “x” religion when in reality I belong to “y” religion?

    2. Another fabrication. It’s not followed up “hundreds of millions” of people. Hadith is considered interesting to read to learn about some history, but it is recommended by all scholars to not follow it. The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the Muhammad is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. The majority of these hadith are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars for many centuries who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not. All Muslims know that the Hadith is not accurate. There are many Hadith (even from Bukhari) that insult Islam, God, and even Muhammad. Muhammad actually forbade from writing the Hadith during his time. Even if Muslims follow the Hadith in present day, it is only the certain ones that don’t contradict the Quran. You made no comment about how it was written hundreds of years after Muhammad’s death. I bet you never knew that until I told you because I know that you know nothing of Islam except from the Media, anti-Islamic sites, and Wikipedia. It is a *FACT* that Hadith was written two centuries after the death of Muhammad, for two centuries there was no authorised documentation of the hadith in accordance with the prohibition left by Muhammad.

    3. What is going on in the world? What is going on in the world is that Muslims have been attacked more than the other way around. The people that happen to attack back are not Muslims. They are extremists.

    4. It is a shame that you are getting your “facts” out of Wikipedia and anti-Islamic sites without doing any research of your own and thinking that you sound like you know what you are talking about and as a result talking like a racist red-neck.

    5. No comment about how I proved that unbelievers mean Meccan pagans from thousands of years ago?

    6. Terrorists have no religion. Whatever they do is not because God said so. Look at 9/11. That happened not because of Islam. This man was kidnapped by ISIS and said how not one of them owned a Quran and did not care about religion: http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/intl_world/amanpour-didier-francois/

    7. Did you watch this yet? https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152289010201104

  • dz11

    I told you already how you are being dishonest about your religion.

    You said 90% of terrorist attacks in the US were committed by non-Muslims. That was a lie. 81% of terrorist deaths in the US were committed by Muslims in the past year. The attack in Orlando that killed 50 people in a nightclub accounted for a lot of that. You gave no examples to support your lie.

    And what was your response when I told people to seek out the truth by looking at the list of known terrorist attacks listed on wikipedia (with reliable sources I might add)? Your response was to tell people not to look at wikipedia! These are not the actions of an honest person.

    I have seen that video you keep pushing by the way, so no need for you to keep pushing that propaganda.

    The Quran says a man’s testimony is worth twice as much as a woman’s. So literally in Islam a woman is worth half as much as a man. That didn’t make it into the video.

  • dz11

    I told you already how you are being dishonest about your religion.

    You said 90% of terrorist attacks in the US were committed by non-Muslims. That was a lie. 81% of terrorist deaths in the US were committed by Muslims in the past year. The attack in Orlando that killed 50 people in a nightclub accounted for a lot of that. You gave no examples to support your lie.

    And what was your response when I told people to seek out the truth by looking at the list of known terrorist attacks listed on wikipedia (with reliable sources I might add)? Your response was to tell people not to look at wikipedia! These are not the actions of an honest person.

    I have seen that video you keep pushing by the way, so no need for you to keep pushing that propaganda.

    The Quran says a man’s testimony is worth twice as much as a woman’s. So literally in Islam a woman is worth half as much as a man. That didn’t make it into the video.

  • Katrina

    1. No you never told me how I am being dishonest.

    2. The Orlando attack was done by an extremist. Not by a Muslim. His ex-wife and parents even said he was not a practicing Muslim and didn’t care about Islam. So that doesn’t count.

    3a. I also told you to seek out the truth by asking you to read the Quran and to watch this: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152289010201104 (and no it’s not propaganda-you are simply in denial). The anti-Islamic sites you keep visiting is true propaganda . You never read the Quran from start to finish so you have no credibility to argue on religion.

    3b. Those attacks were done by *extremists* not by Muslims. And by the way the numbers are way more with how many non-Muslims have killed Muslims and how many times Muslim countries got invaded. What’s your take on how a non-Muslim is saying how ISIS does not represent Islam and how they don’t own a Quran nor do they care about Islam? There is also a big percent of hate crimes against Muslims in the United States. What’s your take on that?

    4a. You keep bringing up more things and I keep telling you not to visit anti-Islamic sites because it’s feeding you lies. The man’s testimony part is another misused verse and people who like to malign Islam think it applies to all situations, irrespective of context. It is said to be true only for business/financial transactions.

    O you who believe, if you borrow debt for a specified period, then you shall record it. Let a scribe of justice record it for you. No scribe should refuse to record as God has taught him. Let him record and let the person who is borrowing dictate to him, and let him be conscientious of God, and let him not reduce from it anything. If the borrower is mentally incapable, weak or cannot dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate with justice. And bring two witnesses from amongst your men, if they are not two men, then a man and two women from whom you agree of the witnesses, so that if one of them errs/forgets, then one can remind the other*. The witnesses should not decline if they are called, and you should not fail to record it no matter how small or large including the time of repayment. That is more just with God and better for the testimony, and better that you do not have doubts; except if it is a trade to be done on the spot between you, then there is no blame on you if you do not record it. Have witnesses/evidence if you trade. No scribe shall be harmed nor any witness; for if you do so then it is vileness on your part. Be conscientious of God so that God teaches you; and God is aware of all things. [2:282]

    *note that it says if one errs/forgets then one can remind the other, implying both females may not be needed to testify if one can remember without problems. Secondly, there may be no need for witnesses to testify at all if the written agreement is not disputed by either party.

    The Quran implies that the man has a wider duty of care than the female, regarding maintenance of the family/household [2:228, 2:233, 4:34, 65:6], and since women are biologically endowed with certain qualities such as pregnancy and breastfeeding this naturally makes them more likely to raise children, so generally speaking men are likely to have more experience in financial transactions. Another reason for this one-man and two-woman witness arrangement could be the protection of women from being subjected to high pressure by the party breaching the contract, which is mentioned at the end of the above verse. The presence and support of other women might reduce the pressure and possibility of perjury.

    This case is also unique in the sense that it requires witnesses to be chosen, which is different to being an accidental witness to a crime for example.

    Elsewhere in Quran it states the underlying principle of transactions/trade and that is it must be mutually agreed upon [4:29], which would also mean the witnesses would have to be agreed upon, as implied in 2:282. Thus, it could be argued that this core principle could be applied in a situation when no men were available and only women witnesses were available, as long as the transacting parties agreed. This hypothetical is not explicitly discussed however.

    For other situations, such as a sole accusation by the husband against his wife of infidelity a female’s testimony is equal to and effectively cancels out a male’s testimony [24:6-9].

    Likewise, in other examples in which witnesses are required, no differentiation is made between males and females [4:15, 5:106, 65:2].

    4b. This is only true if there is no recorded will for the deceased. Shares of inheritance should be stated in a will, and can be done in any way a person chooses [2:180, 5:106-108] however in cases where there is no will or a will leaves leftover wealth/property/etc The Quran has a default system that can be used for such cases [4:8, 4:11-12, 4:176]. In this default system, a male receives more than a female because they have a wider duty of care for maintenance of the family/household [2:228, 2:233, 4:34, 65:6]. Also they have other financial obligations, e.g. payment of a dowry before marriage [4:4, 4:24 and compensation after divorce if applicable [2:241].

    If no default backup system such as this existed, this opens the possibility to much argument, hostility, legal action, delays and the outcome would likely favour those with more power/wealth/influence, thus leaving the disadvantaged even more disadvantaged.

    It should also be noted that in the case of a widow, it is necessary that providing of maintenance for a year be granted (if the house was bequeathed to another for example and not the wife):

    And for those of you whose lives are terminated and if they leave widows behind; a testimony to them that they may enjoy for one year without being made to vacate. If they leave then there is no sin upon you for what they do to themselves in goodness; and God is Noble, Wise. [2:240].

    5. For somebody who thinks he/she knows Islam so well, I don’t know how you could have possibly missed this:

    Financial rights

    The wife is naturally entitled for food, clothing, housing and other related items with expenses to be born by the husband. This natural right has been given by Allah Almighty to the wife based on the following verse from the Glorious Quran (which means): “Mothers may breastfeed their children two complete years for whoever wishes to complete the nursing [period]. Upon the father is the mothers’ provision and their clothing according to what is acceptable. No person is charged with more than his capacity…”[Quran 2: 233]

    -The Mahr (dowry): This is the money to which the wife is entitled from her husband when the marriage contract is completed or when the marriage is consummated. It is a right which the man is obliged to pay to the woman. Allah Almighty Says (what means): “And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.” [Quran 4: 4]

    -Spending: It is obligatory for husbands to spend on their wives, on the condition that the wife makes herself available to her husband. If she refuses him or rebels, then she is not entitled to that spending.

    What is meant by spending is providing what the wife needs of food and accommodation. She has the right to these things even if she is rich, because Allah Says (what means): “…Upon the father is the mothers’ provision and their clothing according to what is acceptable…” [Quran 2: 233]

    And (what means): “Let a man of wealth spend from his wealth, and he whose provision is restricted – let him spend from what Allah has given him…” [Quran 65: 7]

    -Accommodation: This is also one of the wife’s rights, which means that her husband should prepare for her accommodation according to his means and ability. Allah Almighty Says (what means): “Lodge them [in a section] of where you dwell out of your means and do not harm them in order to oppress them…” [Quran 65: 6]

    -Kind treatment: The husband must have a good attitude towards his wife and be kind to her, and offer her everything that may soften her heart towards him, because Allah/God Says: “…And live with them in kindness…” [Quran 4: 19]
    and
    “…And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable…” [Quran 2: 228]

  • dz11

    Here’s what the most popular website on islamic matters has to say about the testimony of two women. It is written by the famous Islamic scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid so you cannot accuse me of using non Islamic websites as you normally do.

    “Allaah has commanded the testimony of two women so as to be sure that they remember, because the mind and memory of two women takes the place of the mind and memory of one man. (See I’laam al-Muwaqqa’een, part 1, p. 75). ”

    No mention of it being only for financial matters either on that website.

    Read more here:

    https://islamqa.info/en/20051

    The truth is that you do not represent the views of millions of Muslims, so don’t pretend that you do. The above website has a more conservative interpretation of Islam but it is the one that prevails. That is why it is the most popular website on Islamic matters.

    Waiting for you to tell us to ignore that Islamic website because it is anti Islamic.

  • Katrina

    I never ignore anything it is you who keeps ignoring every matter I win in. You are now completely speechless over the unbelievers argument.

    The truth is you don’t know anything about Islam so don’t pretend that you do. It makes you look foolish. You don’t have any Muslim friends and never had been to a Muslim country to know if your views on Islam are supported by Muslims.

    No that site is not anti-Islamic, but it is extreme and like you said it’s more conservative. So conservative to the point that it’s not Islamic. Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid is an extremist (not to the point where he supports terrorism, but still extreme). He is not a scholar, but calls himself one and he has contradicted himself many times. I read somewhere that the website was banned in Saudi Arabia (the most conservative Muslim country) so that pretty much sums up it’s accuracy. He believes women should cover their faces (which is a sin in Islam). He belongs to the Salafi movement which is known to be ultra conservative. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and no majority nor even half of them do not belong to this movement so I don’t know where you are pulling up with this idea that “you do not represent the views of millions of Muslims” millions of Muslims do NOT belong to this movement.

    And wow! the quote you pulled out of is from where? Can you tell me where anyone can find I’laam al-Muwaqqa’een? If you know Islam so well where is it from?

  • dz11

    So according to you the Orlando terrorist was not a practising Muslim because his parents said so? But what you omitted to say is that the imam at his local mosque said the terrorist attended the mosque 3 times per week regularly. The Orlando terrorist was bought up in a Muslim household with muslim parents. Even after all this you still claim he was not a Muslim. How convenient is that to deny that every terrorist is not a Muslim. Every time a Muslim commits terrorist acts you deny they are a Muslim. It has nothing to do with islam, right? You treat people like fools.

  • dz11

    So your unbelievers argument is that Muslims believe the leader of another fake religion is really a prophet of islam? Great argument. Well done.

  • Katrina

    “So according to you the Orlando terrorist was not a practising Muslim because his parents said so?”

    “Even after all this you still claim he was not a Muslim.”

    I never said he wasn’t a Muslim, he wasn’t a practicing Muslim. He obviously can’t be if people around him are all saying he is not and also if he killed a bunch of people.

    There are people from all religions that do terrible things in the name of their religion. How many Christians have shot doctors who do abortions or shooting people at Planned Parenthood? Please look up Eric Rudolph and see what he did. That’s just one of the many examples I can give you. Oh and he considers himself to be a good Christian. It would be really stupid if a bunch of Muslims living in Saudi Arabia thought to themselves how can Christians be like this, or like that and how can they point the finger at religion…does their religion really support that? *looks up anti-Christian sites and then becomes racist* it’s just plain stupid and biased.

    If the perpetrators of say Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, or the movie shooting in Colorado for The Dark Knight happened to be Muslims or only Muslim by name then automatically his religion is to be blamed and it would be called as terrorism. So why can’t the Orlando shooting just be seen as a murder and not blame his religion?

    The women in this picture are not Muslims: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/e0/87/9ee087280eb6e5b6a1a6f2ac2bc27a20.jpg they are Jewish. It would be stupid to look down Judaism just because this one sect of Judaism wears what looks like a niqaab (but could be called something different in Hebrew).

    “So your unbelievers argument is that Muslims believe the leader of another fake religion is really a prophet of islam?”

    Huh? :

  • dz11

    Nice editing of what I wrote. The imam at the Orlando terrorist’s mosque said he attended his mosque three times per week on a regular basis. But you edited that bit out when you quoted me. This behaviour is why I call you dishonest.

    I already gave the terrorism figures for the US in a previous post. Vast majority of terrorist attacks in the usa have been from Muslims despite them only being 1% of the population. Of course, you will say it is absolutely nothing to do with Islam as you always do.

  • Katrina

    I didn’t edit any thing out. I just pointed out another point. Nothing to do with being dishonest. If an imam is saying he is a Muslim just because he used to go to the Mosque 3-4 times a week how does that make him a good Muslim? What are your thoughts on Eric Rudolph, btw?

  • dz11

    Eric Rudolph is not a threat to my life or anyone else’s. There’s no comparison in the threat level from people with his beliefs. 99% of terrorist deaths today are from Muslims. All other religions combined is about 1%.

  • John Denver

    Again, those people cheering and waving in the back were not fake. It seems that there was not only a disruption from Adam’s part, but a whole group of people in the back(those cheering and waving), but Adam was singled out, which is the point he was making.

  • Katrina

    There is no comparison between Eric and the Orlando guy. Eric used his religion to as can excuse for what he did. But until now there is no evidence if the Orlando guy pointed his religion for what he did…and even if he did no one’s religion should ever be blamed. 99% of terrorist deaths are factual and an exaggeration. I already told you it also depends on what you call terrorism. If all of the many school shootings that happened in America were Muslims or “muslims” it would have been called terrorism. Many Muslims get killed daily in Israel, but never makes international news. Why isn’t that called terrorism? Many hate crimes happened to Muslims in America. Why isn’t that called terrorism? There was a huge massacre of Muslims that happened in India (Gujarat to be precise) ordered by none other than the current Prime Minister of India. Why isn’t that called terrorism?

    And as mentioned, any “Muslim” that commits to terrorism is no Muslim at all. What is your comment for this man who said ISIS does not care about Islam? http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/intl_world/amanpour-didier-francois/

    This is from Princeton University where it says non-Muslims carried out more terrorism than Muslims (much more reliable than Wikipedia): http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

  • dz11

    Listen. Do you want us to have peace or not? If you do not recognise Islamic terror for what it is then the problem will not be solved and your people will die and so will mine in much bigger numbers than they are right now. Misleading people is not good for you and its not good for me. So let’s stop playing these games and recognise the threat of Islam today before the shit really hits the fan.

    The Princeton research you cite, you know is misleading. Do you really think counting the 911 attacks where 3000 people died as being equal to an attack where one person is injured is right? No it is not right. To get a true picture of the problem you must look at the number of deaths due to terrorist attacks. If you want to mislead people, then by all means do what you do and cite Princeton research that treats 911 as equal to a terrorist attack that injures one person.

    Wikipedia is good for this because it tells you the number of people killed in these attacks. It does not attempt to hide the numbers like what Princeton university are doing. So let’s look at the numbers for December 2016 and who was responsible:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_December_2016

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