Dakota Johnson Reveals How She Gets Along with Chris Martin & Gwyneth Paltrow's Kids, Reacts to 'Madame Web' Being 'Ripped to Shreds' & More

On Taylor Swift being immune to cringe

Dakota shared, “She is… but also you don’t see her. I mean, I guess she was in Cats, but that’s just because she loves cats. I don’t know if this is a bullsh*t belief, but I’m like, I am an actress, I’m a filmmaker, and I will stay in my lane. I will never release an album. I will never have an art show. If there’s a musician who is like, “I’m also an actor,” I’m like, ‘No, you’re not. F*ck off.’ [Laughs.] Like, the only musician who is also an actor that I’m like, OK, is Tom Waits. I’m like, ‘Fine, you get to do both.’ I’m so judgmental about actors, but if there’s a musician who’s like, ‘I’m having an art show,’ that feels OK to me. [Laughs.]”

She also revealed her favorite Taylor album: “I really like Lover. It’s such a great album, but I think all of her albums are really great. I just find her existence really radical in the sense of what it literally means. Not rad or cool, but radical, and I’m totally into it. She’s a fabulous songwriter. She works so hard. She is really kind to the people that love her. I’m just like, do you, girl. I support.”

On Madame Web being “ripped to shreds”

Dakota shared some insight into the film’s poor reviews.

She said, “It’s so hard to get movies made, and in these big movies that get made — and it’s even starting to happen with the little ones, which is what’s really freaking me out — decisions are being made by committees, and art does not do well when it’s made by committee. Films are made by a filmmaker and a team of artists around them. You cannot make art based on numbers and algorithms. My feeling has been for a long time that audiences are extremely smart, and executives have started to believe that they’re not. Audiences will always be able to sniff out bullsh*t. Even if films start to be made with AI, humans aren’t going to f*cking want to see those.”

About the experience, she added, “But it was definitely an experience for me to make that movie. I had never done anything like it before. I probably will never do anything like it again because I don’t make sense in that world. And I know that now. But sometimes in this industry, you sign on to something, and it’s one thing and then as you’re making it, it becomes a completely different thing, and you’re like, Wait, what? But it was a real learning experience, and of course it’s not nice to be a part of something that’s ripped to shreds, but I can’t say that I don’t understand.”